You just said you were past caring. Make your mind up.

As regards AP, a few thoughts.

Clearly nearly four years in we're well short of his original ambitions, both in terms of performance on the pitch and finances off it.

There are a few key factors for me. He bought the advice of McRae and this turned out to be poor and costly. We're still seeing the consequences of some of that. Gentle was an OK appointment but the consensus was that the cup run papered over cracks that were exposed as yawning chasms at Huddersfield on that night of humiliation. He's appointed a very inexperienced, and light numbers wise, back room staff in Radford, Horne and Last and I think it's Motu's first RL role. The challenge remains (as I talked to James Rule about) that in a salary cap era your key differential is coaching quality and as a lower club struggling to recruit like Leeds can on a discount, you'd be better over-investing in this area to catch up.

Obviously the Allam's stuff hasn't helped, nor the bullish claims of success round the corner. But investment in youth seems strong at least and I imagine merchandise is still robust.

From a squad perspective my main concern is our best players are all 32+ and I think if we survive there'll be quite a few changes to bed in this off season. As Radford's stated there's an expectation the likes of Thompson, Watts, Bowden, Green, Lineham will step up to form the core to be supplemented by overseas players. This is a bit patchy. A few major gaps next year. We desperately need a top centre IMO, a winger possibly and probably two good props (in addition to Taylor). Maybe a backup hooker depending how Cunningham goes.

The Radford story will resolve itself. Either things will pick up and he'll stay or they won't and he'll go. I hope it's the former. The issue with the latter is timing, I imagine we're already on with 2016 recruitment.

I wonder how many fans thought we would have more points then we have now before the season started ?If you think they should have eight points then to make a statement of "past caring" I could understand.There will not be anyone who supports our great Club who are not totally annoyed ,angry or whatever else you want to say with the second half performance last week..Its done with we need to look forward and hope we never see another half like that again.I am sure if Pearson could get world class players in he would have done so already,the reality is there are not that many out there who are available and if they were would want to come to Hull.This is down to were we are ,if we were in the middle of the country we would have had a far better chance,that I know as fact there have been a few targets who just did not want the travel or change of location. We all know that we have players who at this moment in time are not performing as well as they can but some of the criticism is way off the mark.It may well be a change of coach could bring better days and if that was guaranteed I would be the first to say do it.I think its more than just the coach ,my opinion is expectations since the Cup win has built up and lack of success has heaped more pressure on players that why teams like Castleford have played without fear and express themselves better because nobody even the fans expected anything.The same can be said about Wakfield always come here play well because there is no pressure.

Pearson must be better than Uncle Kath. Mustn't he?

That's pretty much the one thing that is a given. At least Pearson is [itrying[/i to improve things and actually spending some money on infrastructure and youth. He may have fallen short of his ambitions but at least he [ihas[/i ambitions.

Yet we acheived far more and also had a better team and played better rugby with her at the helm. Its only under Agash that things started going really wrong. This isnt me saying shes better than Pearson but Pearson has made some right feckin hash ups in his tenure and still continues to do so. Hes not the messiah some think he is

Which was under her stewardship, and the first thing Pearson acted upon to put right. It's not really fair to just pick out the peak years for comparison as if they were the norm for the duration, we had around 2003-2007 of good stuff, but 2008-2011 were where we really went down the pan and the previous setup did little to nothing to halt the slide. Pearson is 4 years in during very difficult circumstances, the last lot had over a decade so it's no surprise you can easily point to a more successful period within that. Whilst crediting them for that good period, you've also got to acknowledge that the subsequent mess was of their making and undid all those years (on the pitch, I mean) by failing to address it.

As much as I'm in a completely downbeat mood about the club at the minute, I'd also add that I feel this years Super League is about as competitive as it has ever been, with the drop to 12 teams. Even though I don't feel the top teams are quite as good as they were say 10 years ago, the overall competitiveness is better. There are no easy wins anymore, if you have an off day you get punished.

Agree, he's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy.

Dear oh dear.

kath rode the wave that richardson created in the early years

Id rather have a sexual relationship with gary hetherington than have that cow back at fc, her and rule was an utter disgrace at our club, and should be put in there box forever, under lock and key, then it should be dispatched into the humber when the tides going out

Exactly what did Rule do wrong apart from follow orders from the owners to hush up the situation that eventually led to his demise?

Let us play an unregistered player in the cup?

That was 10 years ago! We're a shadow of that cup winning team. Not sure how expectations are on a team who with the exception of Yeaman never took to the field that day?

We're not good enough in almost every department both on and off the pitch. Whilst AP promises a lot, he's still failed to hit the mark he set when buying the club

2 breaches of salary cap, an unregistered player and the Drugs scandal

Thats a start

and .. the Stuart Reardon affair...

Dave Plummer was the chief exec in 2003, convenient of you to forget, and also the rules at the time meant the interpretation of the salary cap rules effected quite a few clubs..we appealed against it on that basis..something else you fail to recognise.
The 2005 'breach' was extremely minor and got us a slapped wrist of £2500
Yes the drugs scandal was bad but do you not think that Rule was the fall guy here? I'd have him back in a heartbeat as I would Peter Sharp or Gentle.

But it was still a cap breach, and after another one just two years before, we were probably lucky to get away so lightly.

If Rule was the fall guy over the drugs issue, why did he effectively fess up?

"Mr. Rule did not contest the charge made against him by UK Anti-Doping"

The cap breach was nothing - IIRC it was a technicality which is why we got off so lightly.

The drugs issue was something else again. I don't care how much pressure he may or may not have been under from the owners he should not have made the decisions that he did. The 'fall-guy' excuse doesn't wash.

Exactly.
He lied and attempted to instigate a player cover - up involving the doping agency.
He got what he deserved, fooked off by Pearson.

To use the favoured expression of a lot of players, any club with a modicum of ambition and sense would have been able to "kick on" from that cup win and although we did get to the GF the following year, that team was allowed to effectively fall apart with no plan as to how to build on the 2005 win and keep us up with the big boys. Until Wire in 2012, we were the only team from outside the old big 4 to get to the GF. The following year we lost Cooke, finished 4th and despite the cup final in 2008 have been on the downward spiral with a few blips since then.

The [uteam[/u now is absolutely a shadow of that team, but as a [uclub[/u we should be in a far better place than we are (which may affect the team dynamic). Most of the blame for that lies with the previous owners and only some with AP (IMHO)

still a rule break however

wire stil not been found guilty i believe, seen as so many here are convinced they are

Can't believe that no one has mentioned that Brian Noble has admitted he's in talks with London. I know many have their doubts about Noble, but even as someone who wants Radford out, I'd be willing to give a Noble-Radford combination a go, things can't get any worse! And surely trying to turn Hull around is a better attraction that trying to revive the corpse that is London RL

Same here. Noble would come here like a shot if asked, I would imagine.