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| With regards to interchanges, earlier in the season Agar was being blasted for just making interchanges for the sake of it, often ones which people felt where decided before the match. Now he makes them, but not many of them and people are lambarding him for that? If he doesn't feel the players on the bench will add anything more to our game then there is no point him bringing them on for the sake of it and jeprodising results (i know, what results right ) for the sake of it.
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| Quote ="Matty_HullFC"With regards to interchanges, earlier in the season Agar was being blasted for just making interchanges for the sake of it, often ones which people felt where decided before the match. Now he makes them, but not many of them and people are lambarding him for that? If he doesn't feel the players on the bench will add anything more to our game then there is no point him bringing them on for the sake of it and jeprodising results (i know, what results right
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If he doesn't feel the players on the bench can add to the game, then he needs to CHANGE HIS BENCH selections.
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| Quote ="Standee"If he doesn't feel the players on the bench can add to the game, then he needs to CHANGE HIS BENCH selections.'"
He's following a policy set by Wayne Bennett.
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| Quote ="Standee"If he doesn't feel the players on the bench can add to the game, then he needs to CHANGE HIS BENCH selections.'"
There isn't exactly much more choice though is there?
Who else could have being on the bench against Saints?
Moa, Hall, Broughton, Hodgson
Hardly game changes either are they.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Next year will be the time, if Agar fails. He will have no excuses whatsoever next year and both him and Sharp are out of contract, if it's not working then they can get rid of both without it costing anything.'"
I could accept that aslong as they both come as a package and are treated as THE coaching team.
Its interesting to see Wilkin mentioning that in his opinion Long would make one of the best future British coaches in the game
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Agar said so. If he wants to keep his job he has to get it right, he wanted the clear out last year, said so after the Rovers match, but could not do it due to lack of personel available I believe. This season he can make the decisions and I believe he will.'" I dont think he will in all honesty, the fact he i would assume wanted Radford to get a new deal was a shocking decision. It would be different if we needed to release players to get under the salary cap but we dont. From our current squad i can only see Tony and Moa not been here next season.
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| Quote ="Matty_HullFC"There isn't exactly much more choice though is there?
Who else could have being on the bench against Saints?
Moa, Hall, Broughton, Hodgson
Hardly game changes either are they.'"
That bench would have been better!
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| Quote ="The Hollywood Frasier"I dont think he will in all honesty, the fact he i would assume wanted Radford to get a new deal was a shocking decision. It would be different if we needed to release players to get under the salary cap but we dont. From our current squad i can only see Tony and Moa not been here next season.'"
There could 6/7 coming in so we will have to get rid of a few. Everyone has an opinion about who they would like to see go so Agar's choices won't be fine with all fans but he will be getting shut of players, I am certain of it.
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| Quote ="Standee"That bench would have been better!'"
How so?
Broughton/Hall would have been brought on to play where? Hodgson is unproven as yet and is really a hooker.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"How so?
Broughton/Hall would have been brought on to play where? Hodgson is unproven as yet and is really a hooker.'"
With 2mins left......
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| Quote ="fc baldy"With 2mins left......
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Exactly!
Hall at Centre, Whitihg to 13 and try something new!
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| Quote ="PAUL M"There could 6/7 coming in so we will have to get rid of a few. Everyone has an opinion about who they would like to see go so Agar's choices won't be fine with all fans but he will be getting shut of players, I am certain of it.'"
I'm not so sure that Agar is going to have the BIG clearout that we all want. A lot of the OOC players are probably some of the samller earners at the club and the obvious dross that takes up a large chunk of the cap is already contracted for next season.
I have my fingers crossed for a wholesale clearout but aren't going to hold my breath.
Radford, Cusack, Dowes, King, Thorman, Lee, Tony, G Horne can all go for me and anything less than 7 or 8 players leaving will not be nearly enough.
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| Quote ="Matty_HullFC"There isn't exactly much more choice though is there?
Who else could have being on the bench against Saints?
Moa, Hall, Broughton, Hodgson
Hardly game changes either are they.'"
What part of spelling players to avoid exhaustion are you and Agar having difficulty with?
Very few forwards can operate at anything like 100% for 80 minutes. We had players on the pitch who were absolutely bolloxed towards the end of Friday's game and fresh guys sat on the bench. That's just poor.
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| Quote ="Standee"Exactly!
Hall at Centre, Whitihg to 13 and try something new!'"
Should have been the starting line up mate.
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| Quote ="Kosh"What part of spelling players to avoid exhaustion are you and Agar having difficulty with?
Very few forwards can operate at anything like 100% for 80 minutes. We had players on the pitch who were absolutely bolloxed towards the end of Friday's game and fresh guys sat on the bench. That's just poor.'"
Prime example being Dowes...he needs a week off if you ask me.....also did anyone notice after Sts last try and 5 mins left he brought Dowes back on...why??????
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| Quote ="thehullwhitestar" Radford, Cusack, Dowes, King, Thorman, Lee, Tony, G Horne can all go for me and anything less than 7 or 8 players leaving will not be nearly enough.'"
Yeah I wouldn't be unhappy to see that lot depart.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"There could 6/7 coming in so we will have to get rid of a few. Everyone has an opinion about who they would like to see go so Agar's choices won't be fine with all fans but he will be getting shut of players, I am certain of it.'" In the past 12 months we have lost Crocker and Carvell and i'm going on the basis that Fitz, Hame and Tansey combined have pretty much the same salary cap value as Crocker and Carvell.
If Tony and Cusack leave that will be again another big chunk of the cap gone and i cant see Long been on as much as Motu and Yak combined.
The only way i see us having to release players is if we make a marque signing as if we sign Turner and Aizue i cant see anybody needing to be released to make room on the salary cap.
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| Quote ="Standee"Exactly!
Hall at Centre, Whitihg to 13 and try something new!'"
That should have been the selection to start the game. I accept that the players currently in the squad are not his choice but he can still coach them in training to run onto the ball, run angles, dummy runners, support play etc pretty much basic stuff but there isn't even the slightest sign of it. The only player that is at least running angles etc is Tickle, which lead to him getting his try of Friday night.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Next year will be the time, if Agar fails. He will have no excuses whatsoever next year and both him and Sharp are out of contract, if it's not working then they can get rid of both without it costing anything.'"
But next year will be too late paul, i tell you hear and now he's not up to it
keep him go in to next still same results he goes Sharp takes over mid-season back to where we started from, the old this year gone wait till next year
Go get the best possibile coach ready for pre-season to take us to where we belong
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| Quote ="The Hollywood Frasier"In the past 12 months we have lost Crocker and Carvell and i'm going on the basis that Fitz, Hame and Tansey combined have pretty much the same salary cap value as Crocker and Carvell.
If Tony and Cusack leave that will be again another big chunk of the cap gone and i cant see Long been on as much as Motu and Yak combined.
The only way i see us having to release players is if we make a marque signing as if we sign Turner and Aizue i cant see anybody needing to be released to make room on the salary cap.'"
Kite won't come cheap I wouldn't of thought, if he comes.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Kite won't come cheap I wouldn't of thought, if he comes.'" There was no whispers or anything about Kite leaving Manly untill the HDM pulled his name of the hat it seems.
Do you agree with the rest of my post though even though im just working on assumptions.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Kite won't come cheap I wouldn't of thought, if he comes.'"
Depends if there are any strings attached
I'll get my coat
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| Quote ="Chris71"Depends if there are any strings attached
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| Quote ="The Hollywood Frasier"There was no whispers or anything about Kite leaving Manly untill the HDM pulled his name of the hat it seems.
Do you agree with the rest of my post though even though im just working on assumptions.'"
Kite - Crocker
Fitz - Cusack plus some of Tony
Tansey - Byrne
Turner/Azuie - Horne/Thacks
Long - Thorman plus some of Tony
So that is Motu, Thacks, Cusack, Byrne, Crocker, Horne and Motu accounted for.
Also Luauki is coming in so we would need to shed another 1 or 2?
Its hard to work out without guessing at wages but even on my assumptions that is a fair few players gone between 6-9 gone.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Kite - Crocker
Fitz - Cusack plus some of Tony
Tansey - Byrne
Turner/Azuie - Horne/Thacks
Long - Thorman plus some of Tony
So that is Motu, Thacks, Cusack, Byrne, Crocker, Horne and Motu accounted for.
Also Luauki is coming in so we would need to shed another 1 or 2?
Its hard to work out without guessing at wages but even on my assumptions that is a fair few players gone between 6-9 gone.'" I really cant see Tansey getting paid as much as Byrne.
Plus i was under the impression we are not spending at the full cap due to the Carvell situation.
If you take Kite out of the equation its a different story though.
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