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| Quote ="His Bobness"I said you were fortunate with your extra/loop games and I'll stand by that.
Rovers had 'extra' games against St Helens and Catalans whereas you had extra games against a Sezer less Hudds and Salford. Had that been the other way round the league table would be very different and not to your advantage.
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You did say that Bob, but did you forget what you also said regarding Wigan in the cup.
If you wish to be just a troll, then feel free, a false prophet almost.
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| I said a banana skin. And that’s just what it was, we pack the middle of the field all night, with just the wings on the flanks, waiting for the overused cross field kicks.
Danny Houghton can’t go on forever, he needs spelling, and if Johnstone isn’t the answer, we need another hooker, not Cator.
We are debilitated without Taylor, and Bowden, and tonight it took its toll.
Our defence has been magnificent, but we need to play some footy, we have Reynolds Connor and Sneyd, but no short kicking game, against the Cats, you’ve got to keep turning them round, not play into their hands.
We beat ourselves tonight, the effort was great, but most of the execution was just poor. I thought Big Chris was great again, and Fonua showing flashes of what he can really do. Like others have said a very strange bench, especially when it seems there’s no intention of using either Scott or Johnstone. Never mind you can’t win them all, and it’s probably brought us all down to earth.
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| Quote ="Riderofthepalehorse"You did say that Bob, but did you forget what you also said regarding Wigan in the cup.
If you wish to be just a troll, then feel free, a false prophet almost.'"
I'm not a troll and accept you were good against a very poor Wigan in the cup. I honestly believe that come the business end Wigan will peak and you will not be able to match them. I may be wrong but it's my honest opinion.
For now you've won 3 from 6 same as Rovers.
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| Quote ="Riderofthepalehorse"
It makes you wonder how any of us played rugby league, with the dangers to the body.'"
Did you play Rider? I lasted half a season aged 18 playing for Fenners in the Hull Works league back in the mid-50's. Over that time, playing at 6, I had a couple of bad facial injuries due to high tackles and a fractured clavicle caused by a very late tackle. Decided the game was not for me and switched to Union.
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| Quote ="Thetalentboy"People are raving about Connor yet he single handedly lost us the match against Wigan
Yet people don't mention that or the interception against Wakefield
Bet they soon notice if the Wigan game was a play off match'"
If you think you can blame one person for a defeat than I'm guessing you have never played a team sport, he made a couple of mistakes, as did other people in the game,no one player can be blamed for a defeat like that.
Connor is a our most creative player and gets plenty of criticism, in fact as soon as he has a bad game it highlighted by people like you (who ash mentioed this a few times).
Him and Reynolds are the only pivots who creative something, as you could see yesterday. I love one person to tell me one chance Sneyd created yesterday (you can include kicks) what other halfback in the league, doesn't create one chance and this is a one of things.
I agree on Houghton, great defensively and can scoot well on the back of a quick play the ball, but doesn't create enough for a hooker (which he was in 2016/17), we certainly need another hooker and if Sneyd doesn't improve we then maybe another pivot if we want to challenge.
I know it isn't Hodgsons fault, but have two quota players (One of which doesn't play) and probably 200k tied up on wingers is really hurting us.
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| last week kendal sin binned a player for taking a player out after the ball had gone,but last night he did`nt bother.scot taylor picked up on the player who was taken out after he had got rid of the ball.
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| Quote ="Riderofthepalehorse"You did say that Bob, but did you forget what you also said regarding Wigan in the cup.
If you wish to be just a troll, then feel free, a false prophet almost.'"
Ignore him mate, he is a coward, comes on here after we get beat, nowhere to be seen when we win.
He predicted we would get beat by Wigan in the cup and when we win nowhere to be seen.
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| Quote ="Freddie Miller."Did you play Rider? I lasted half a season aged 18 playing for Fenners in the Hull Works league back in the mid-50's. Over that time, playing at 6, I had a couple of bad facial injuries due to high tackles and a fractured clavicle caused by a very late tackle. Decided the game was not for me and switched to Union.'"
Messaged you Fred.
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| Quote ="His Bobness"I'm not a troll and accept you were good against a very poor Wigan in the cup. I honestly believe that come the business end Wigan will peak and you will not be able to match them. I may be wrong but it's my honest opinion.
For now you've won 3 from 6 same as Rovers.'"
Well like it or not, you was completely wrong with your prediction on our cup chances, there’s two trophies worth winning, that’s the business.
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| Sobering night and performance for us. Back at the KC but it all felt very familiar didn't it. Lack of available props was a huge problem, the lightweight bench also. Can't understand the decision not to have Brown in there. That all took it's toll in the end. Don't get the continued selection of Scott either, I've seen nothing in him yet to suggest he's 1st team material.
Our defence is clearly much improved but our attack despite our much vaunted pivots is stuttering and needs to be much better. We've seen glimpses of it but not enough. I agree with those who have highlighted Sneyd performances, imo he needs to step up, he's the weak link of the three.
This season could yet go either way yet hopefully Hodgson will learn from this.
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| Going forward, I'm hoping next season we can find an attacking hooker, as were stunted st times from the hooking position and through Sneyd lately who's just not doing it for me.
Taylor and Bowden back Asap, Sao and Satae need some support, Brown has to come in for the bench. And use Johnstone more and we may see a more livelier scooting Houghton.
The teams above us just seem to have more game smarts than us at times and that's where Sneyd is lacking currently no pressure relieving kicks at all last night apart from Reynolds 40/20. If we d of spoiled like Catalans last night we d of crucified with the buzzer.
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| Quote ="Rocknrolla69er"Going forward, I'm hoping next season we can find an attacking hooker, as were stunted st times from the hooking position and through Sneyd lately who's just not doing it for me.
Taylor and Bowden back Asap, Sao and Satae need some support, Brown has to come in for the bench. And use Johnstone more and we may see a more livelier scooting Houghton.
The teams above us just seem to have more game smarts than us at times and that's where Sneyd is lacking currently no pressure relieving kicks at all last night apart from Reynolds 40/20. If we d of spoiled like Catalans last night we d of crucified with the buzzer.'"
Is there any news on Taylor? Or Bowden for that matter?
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| Quote ="Dave K."Quote ="Thetalentboy"People are raving about Connor yet he single handedly lost us the match against Wigan
Yet people don't mention that or the interception against Wakefield
Bet they soon notice if the Wigan game was a play off match'"
If you think you can blame one person for a defeat than I'm guessing you have never played a team sport, he made a couple of mistakes, as did other people in the game,no one player can be blamed for a defeat like that.
Connor is a our most creative player and gets plenty of criticism, in fact as soon as he has a bad game it highlighted by people like you (who ash mentioed this a few times).
Him and Reynolds are the only pivots who creative something, as you could see yesterday. I love one person to tell me one chance Sneyd created yesterday (you can include kicks) what other halfback in the league, doesn't create one chance and this is a one of things.
I agree on Houghton, great defensively and can scoot well on the back of a quick play the ball, but doesn't create enough for a hooker (which he was in 2016/17), we certainly need another hooker and if Sneyd doesn't improve we then maybe another pivot if we want to challenge.
I know it isn't Hodgsons fault, but have two quota players (One of which doesn't play) and probably 200k tied up on wingers is really hurting us.'"
Have to say I agree with you Dave, quite how Jake Connor single handedly lost us the game against Wigan is a mystery, he got binned and gave a penalty away but these things happen both of which were contentious decisions I thought. Pity they only point out that and not the fact he was pretty involved in other positive aspects of our play in the game. In regards to the Wakey game and the intercept, had that pass not been picked off then it was a walk in try for us and that is the breaks, I'd rather see a player take some risks with the ball than none at all. Again in that game his impact was again more positive than negative. So far Jake has created a much higher % of scoring chances and ones that we've converted in to points for as opposed to against.
In regards to Houghton we are back to flogging him in games for 80mins and his defensive work whilst admirable, we need more than just a defensive workhorse. At the start of the season when he was fresh and when spelled last season he was looking more like the player from a few seasons ago when he would scoot and put some neat little kicks in. Last night I thought he looked jaded and after 60 mins he looked out on his feet and just don't understand when Hodgson had Johnstone on the bench he just didnt use him and spell him.
We also need more from Sneyd who was very disappointing last night, as with the surface being wet I thought we may have put at least one or two grubbers in when in the Catalans 20. I thought Catalan did a job on Reynolds to snuff him out the game plus our go forward once either Satae or Sao were off was non existent due to the lack of size. We failed to turn around the Catalan pack throughout the 80 and make them work their way out their own 20.
Again I agree that having 2 quota players with only one playing each week is also hurting us, personally I though having Faraimo on the wing and Fonua on the bench as a utility forward to give us some size on the bench would have been a better option. Not having Brown on the bench was also a big mistake by BH unless Brown was a slight doubt as a bench of Cator, Fash, Johnstone & Scott was just far too lightweight when against a large side like Catalan.
Last night was disappointing but we knew there were going to be games that don't go to plan and last night I think was one of those as we just looked off the pace.
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| Quote ="hull2524"still dont get the knocking of sneyd, hes never been a ball handling half back, but hes the best kicker and organiser around, we got reynolds and connor as ball handlers, plus its our bench whats the problem, we havnt one,'"
For me Snead blows hot and cold - never consistent. Could you explain your opinion that he’s the best organisers around. Do you mean his kicks on the third which comes to nothing.
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| Sneyd is the most un-creative scrum half in the league, and played for too far from the defensive line again yesterday, Houghton picks the wrong option too often - see the ball to Lane when he had 3 men on him last night, and good on Lane for having a go at DH after the play
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| Sneyd does all the talking and organization. He didn't kick well last night admitted. But he does seem the whipping boy. We brought Reynolds in as the ball handler with Connor. Neither did anything last night of note. We are struggling in attack but IMO it's not all sneyds fault. Just my opinion
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| You can’t bag Sneyd when our pack is beaten and our distribution entirely predictable. Houghton and Johnstone offer nowt going forward.
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| Jake is not a FB and is simply filling in. He has no PACE!!!! Wayne Bennett saw him as a 6 as any team that has GF ambitions has to have a FB that can be electric with pace. Storm replaced Slater with PapaH not Cronk as an example
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Is there any news on Taylor? Or Bowden for that matter?'"
2 weeks ago.....
Quote “It’s the best case of something that could have been far worse for Scott. He is looking like he’ll be out for six to eight weeks.
“He has a fracture and a low grade lisfranc (midfoot) injury which could have been a season ending injury if it was a bit higher. Thankfully, it is not the worse-case scenario.'"
3 weeks ago.....
Quote However, the Airlie Birds will be without Josh Bowden this evening, with Hodgson confirming the forward will be out of action for up to six weeks with an elbow injury sustained against Wakefield.
“He hyperextended his elbow, and he has a fracture and some ligament damaged to the head of the radium in his forearm.'"
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| Thought we got absolutely suckered by a Catalan team filled with players that can get under the oppositions skin and push the rules to the very limit. We have got away with it so far this season but the bench selection and usage was diabolical, Houghton was out on his feet and his passing accuracy was effected big time. Carrying Cameron Scott on the bench instead of Bureta is just mind boggling, the biggest criticism I can aim at Scott is that whenever he gets the ball or any is running at him I panic and expect something bad to happen.
Not sure why people are criticising Houghton for not scooting when the PTB speed was the slowest I've seen in a game since the 6 again rule came in.
He has been criticised on here a fair bit but thought Ma'u was very good and kept McMeecken in check all game and game up with some great runs in the second half.
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| I didn't get a particularly good view of the incident from the West Upper so can anyone give their thoughts on Satae's sin bin?
From my distant vantage point it looked like the Catalans player slipped as Satae was going into tackle him and 10 mins seemed harsh.
If he cops a ban then we are in a world of trouble in the front row next week.
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| Quote ="scarrie"I didn't get a particularly good view of the incident from the West Upper so can anyone give their thoughts on Satae's sin bin?
From my distant vantage point it looked like the Catalans player slipped as Satae was going into tackle him and 10 mins seemed harsh.
If he cops a ban then we are in a world of trouble in the front row next week.'"
Awful decision to sin bin him. Penalty probably justified as it has been given in the past despite players slipping.
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| Quote ="Irregs#16"Quote ="scarrie"I didn't get a particularly good view of the incident from the West Upper so can anyone give their thoughts on Satae's sin bin?
From my distant vantage point it looked like the Catalans player slipped as Satae was going into tackle him and 10 mins seemed harsh.
If he cops a ban then we are in a world of trouble in the front row next week.'"
Awful decision to sin bin him. Penalty probably justified as it has been given in the past despite players slipping.'"
To be honest it was just about in front of where I was sat and Maloney completely lost his footing and almost face planted himself on Satae and he was around the height of Satae's knee. There didn't seem to be a lot that Satae did or could have done such was the angle and speed Maloney was going down and was more a collision than anything.
I thought Kendall giving a penalty was harsh but to then to give a yellow was just a joke. I'm all for protecting players in the game from head shots but the RFL and the officials really need to have a re think if an attacking players head is below waist height of defending player because they have lost their footing as the attacking player nor defensive player are expecting that so neither can readjust such is the speed and is ultimately collisions of this type are part of the game that you can not legislate for.
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| It will be interesting to see if Griff gets a ban for chucking the ball and it hitting the linesman with a minute left which the linesman brought to the attention of Kendall.
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| We do seem to getting a sin-bin almost every game at the moment. Some deserved and some ridiculous.
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