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| 214 metres from Sutcliffe last night, 19 carries with 11m average gain. 114 metres from Taylor with 42 tackles.
Eight Hull players made more than 100 metres.
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| Good win and certainly looks like Wakefield are down, sadly for their fans. Thought Taylor and Sao were great tonight, with Lane more direct too. Danny Houghton looked great and Sutcliffe was an inspired signing, always looking to attack and very solid in the tackle. Ref was a bit too involved for me, too many six agains and Clifford's try being ruled out was poor from the officials just as Come On You Ull has said, best stats since Toulouse away, defensively, and we can build on this. Shows how close things are when we are level on points with Saints, albeit played more games and just 4 off the Dragons. Can build into the season and the playoffs should be our goal now, relegation looks banished from our minds now and Smith can take us to a far better level, with some clever recruitment next year. I would definitely have a look at Whitbread for a possible signing , thought he was good and hope for Wakey's loyal diehards that they can survive the drop. Michael Carter was almost resigned to the fact , judging by his pre-match interview and it is hard to see where their next win will be, they have nothing in attack.
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| latest on Listen is heartening. Smith said
“I think Davy is ok, he said he could have kept going but he has never had an ankle problem before. He has just twisted his ankle and he said he panicked a little bit.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"214 metres from Sutcliffe last night, 19 carries with 11m average gain. 114 metres from Taylor with 42 tackles.
Eight Hull players made more than 100 metres.'"
Some great work from the backs. Taylor topped the tackle count with 42, which is impressive as he played about 60 minutes, been our best prop this year IMO, certainly deserves a new deal, think people have been a bit unfair to him, suffered injuries the last two years and and this is his first pre season in 3 years, looks fit and strong.
Griffin for all his faults, works very hard 74 minutes, 31 tackle (one miss), 14 runs for 126 metres. Can we sign better than him in the current market, like Taylor depends on the salary, but I'm not sure we can.
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| My issue with giving Staveley a game is if he’s leaving I’d rather us invest our time in another you 2nd row/LF like Armstrong or Jebson shame Severs is injured.
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| Quote ="Ellam"My issue with giving Staveley a game is if he’s leaving I’d rather us invest our time in another you 2nd row/LF like Armstrong or Jebson shame Severs is injured.'"
Agreed, but the signs point to the fact he is staying, not on the OOC list and Smith bigging him up in a recent interview.
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| Can anyone tell me when we last had a game where we weren’t still nervous in the last 5 minutes. Not the highest quality game but I enjoyed it and think they’ll have learnt a lot about the side.. som real resilience.
Another good game for Litten, he just needs to work on his awareness, he’s a bit greedy. Could’ve passed inside for his try against Leigh and should’ve passed to swift yesterday. A season or 2 on the wing will give him time to develop and our attack will be more fluid with Hoy back.
In this market I’m giving Tag, Griff and houghton one year deals. Hopefully cheap and then we can take some punts on prospects with more security.
I liked the look of the Eseh. Huge frame, athletic and looked difficult to tackle. I’d consider bringing him in as a squad player and see how he develops.
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| What's changed in the camp? Have the players finally bought into Smith's methods? Has the dropping of lovodua, Evans and savellio been a wake up call for others? Whilst we still look like we're lacking a bit of confidence in attack, it's great to see the defensive resilience back and them working hard for one another again
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| Quote ="Hullrealist"Can anyone tell me when we last had a game where we weren’t still nervous in the last 5 minutes. Not the highest quality game but I enjoyed it and think they’ll have learnt a lot about the side.. som real resilience.
Another good game for Litten, he just needs to work on his awareness, he’s a bit greedy. Could’ve passed inside for his try against Leigh and should’ve passed to swift yesterday. A season or 2 on the wing will give him time to develop and our attack will be more fluid with Hoy back.
In this market I’m giving Tag, Griff and houghton one year deals. Hopefully cheap and then we can take some punts on prospects with more security.
I liked the look of the Eseh. Huge frame, athletic and looked difficult to tackle. I’d consider bringing him in as a squad player and see how he develops.'"
But likes of Taylor Houghton Griffin will never be cheap
Keep taylor he's still our best prop
Griffin not sure if he's truly cut out for a 2nd row and has no pace for centre
Houghton get rid , dwyer was good last night 3 breaks more of that needed
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| Good to get the two points, and 3 games on the spin we have limited the opposition to no more than 2 try's, which is quite impressive with the amount of defence we have done during those wins. I thought we could of been smarter at some points, but that will come, I feel Trueman and Clifford will really complement each other once they are on the same wave length, which could of course take a few weeks with them only playing 120 minutes of competitive rugby together. We seem to have a bit of confidence now, hopefully we can take that into the cup next week.
I have to say, Wakey really are done for. They have batted above their weight and scraped by for a long time, however it feels like time has finally caught up to them and their fait is all but sealed by mid-may. I can't say I have much sympathy, to be honest, but they are destined for the championship, which when you take into consider their on-field and off-field resources is probably where they belong.
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| Quote ="Thetalentboy"But likes of Taylor Houghton Griffin will never be cheap
Keep taylor he's still our best prop
Griffin not sure if he's truly cut out for a 2nd row and has no pace for centre
Houghton get rid , dwyer was good last night 3 breaks more of that needed
Clifford is our best half back since Kelly'"
Agree on Clifford and Taylor.
For me Griffin depends on what is available on the market. If there isn't much out there I'd be happy enough to keep him on for another year and see how he gets on. He's runs some decent lines and often seems a handful when hitting the line at pace.
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| Quote ="Hullrealist"
I liked the look of the Eseh. Huge frame, athletic and looked difficult to tackle. I’d consider bringing him in as a squad player and see how he develops.'"
He reminds me of Masi Matongo, big frame but just doesn't look aggressive enough or run his weight for me.
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| Quote ="Steve0"What's changed in the camp? Have the players finally bought into Smith's methods? Has the dropping of lovodua, Evans and savellio been a wake up call for others?'"
I thought that, I think Savellio in particular has been a sacrificial lamb, he's pushed the boundaries and refused to fall into line and has paid the price. Nobody doubts his quality on the pitch but from what i've seen first hand his general attitude off the pitch is horrendous. That is exactly what we've wanted Smith to do, I find it hilarious that some people who cried out for a culture change are now up in arms that Savellio isn't playing.
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| 200+ metres for Sutcliffe. Been a good pick up from Leeds
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| Quote ="giddyupoldfella"There was a similar offence on Clifford against Rovers, when their player was binned. Although I don't think this one was as bad.
I don't remember whether that Rovers player got a ban or not, I'm sure some statto does though?'"
He got a one match ban,the worst was SKD no penalty during the game,then a 4 match ban,so who knows.
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| Quote ="BESTY"I thought that, I think Savellio in particular has been a sacrificial lamb, he's pushed the boundaries and refused to fall into line and has paid the price. Nobody doubts his quality on the pitch but from what i've seen first hand his general attitude off the pitch is horrendous. That is exactly what we've wanted Smith to do, I find it hilarious that some people who cried out for a culture change are now up in arms that Savellio isn't playing.
I think the case for Joey is that he doesn't have a set position so has found it harder to get any traction but his attitude and effort are fine. Evans just isn't good enough for me.'"
Savelio isn't that good anyway easily replaceable
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| Quote ="Thetalentboy"Savelio isn't that good anyway easily replaceable
Was a bit part player at saints and wire ? Why cause he's not all that'"
He was such a bit part , at the clubs you mention, because of his age and the fact that he was even included in those team's squad, speaks volumes about his abilities He was that good , he got an NRL gig. Injury cut that short , before he had a chance to progress. He is an excellent player, and I don't think he will be easy to replace with anyone of a similar standard, given what talent is available. If his attitude is disruptive and poor that is a shame, because we are a better team with him included. Got to back Smith's call on him, he sees him every day in and around training.
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| Quote ="Thetalentboy"Savelio isn't that good anyway easily replaceable
Was a bit part player at saints and wire ? Why cause he's not all that'"
He was such a bit part , at the clubs you mention, because of his age and the fact that he was even included in those team's squad, speaks volumes about his abilities He was that good , he got an NRL gig. Injury cut that short , before he had a chance to progress. He is an excellent player, and I don't think he will be easy to replace with anyone of a similar standard, given what talent is available. If his attitude is disruptive and poor that is a shame, because we are a better team with him included. Got to back Smith's call on him, he sees him every day in and around training.
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| So good I said it twice!!!
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| Quote ="GrahamBray"Good win and certainly looks like Wakefield are down, sadly for their fans. Thought Taylor and Sao were great tonight, with Lane more direct too. Danny Houghton looked great and Sutcliffe was an inspired signing, always looking to attack and very solid in the tackle. Ref was a bit too involved for me, too many six agains and Clifford's try being ruled out was poor from the officials just as Come On You Ull has said, best stats since Toulouse away, defensively, and we can build on this. Shows how close things are when we are level on points with Saints, albeit played more games and just 4 off the Dragons. Can build into the season and the playoffs should be our goal now, relegation looks banished from our minds now and Smith can take us to a far better level, with some clever recruitment next year. I would definitely have a look at Whitbread for a possible signing , thought he was good and hope for Wakey's loyal diehards that they can survive the drop. Michael Carter was almost resigned to the fact , judging by his pre-match interview and it is hard to see where their next win will be, they have nothing in attack.'"
Their problem is not just relegation but in reality there is no way back into S/L even with the ground improvements
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| Griffin makes lots of metres runs his weight in 2nd row I think he will get a late decision Tag definitely another year, Houghton depends on what’s out there.
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| Hooker is a real dilemna still. Houghton has played his best rugby in years recently, Dwyer is very good at what he does but isn't the man to be our main number 9. Is he happy being a 25-30 impact player off the bench? Then there's Balmforth who I really like the look of and hope we don't end up losing, but obviously he's raw. We need to go look for a quality hooker who can control a game for us, but if we find him, how do we accommodate everyone else? Tough decisions to make on who stays and who goes.
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"Hooker is a real dilemna still. Houghton has played his best rugby in years recently, Dwyer is very good at what he does but isn't the man to be our main number 9. Is he happy being a 25-30 impact player off the bench? Then there's Balmforth who I really like the look of and hope we don't end up losing, but obviously he's raw. We need to go look for a quality hooker who can control a game for us, but if we find him, how do we accommodate everyone else? Tough decisions to make on who stays and who goes.'"
But even Houghton playing "his best rugby in years" still doesn't make you go "wow"
Dwyer was better than Houghton other night cause he makes things happen
Houghton hardly rips teams apart like clark or roby
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| Quote ="Thetalentboy"But even Houghton playing "his best rugby in years" still doesn't make you go "wow"
Dwyer was better than Houghton other night cause he makes things happen
Houghton hardly rips teams apart like clark or roby'"
Wakey fan. Dwyer had a huge hand in you pulling away that second half. He always causes us issues. He creates chaos at the play of ball.
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"Wakey fan. Dwyer had a huge hand in you pulling away that second half. He always causes us issues. He creates chaos at the play of ball.'"
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