I thought Tommy Lee was good against Wakey and also calderwood, prob best 2 on the pitch. Id keep Tommy Lee now after a few undecided years.

If I were to take over tomorrow with the ability to somehow clear out those that I didn't want. The following players would be gone by teatime...


Cusack - too similar to Dowes and not good enough for a quota place

Radford - mediocrity personified

Lee - just not good enough

Thorman - just not good enough

King - best days way too far behind him

G Horne - just not good enough

M Tony - tying him down to FB was a big mistake but his injuries are also a concern.


R Horne would be our first choice FB and I would look for a 6 and a 7. We would also need a centre, if anything was left it would be spent on trying to bolster up the pack.

agree i think tommy is playing better in each game

Haven't you heard Washbrook is our new 6 acording to another post earlier!


Guess they didn't see him last season covering for R. Horne / Dykes alongside Berro

Looked about as clueless last season as he did on Friday night .

try washy at full back probably the only position he hasnt played in the last few seasons

He's a very poor excuse for a centre, he has cost us a few tries this year for me. He offers little in attack and is terrible at passing to his winger. If we want to be a top 2 side we simply need players A LOT better then Horne, who, without that last name wouldn't be here for me.

Overseas quota for 2011 needs to kept in mind for 2010 - a maximum of 5 and can't see we'd get any decent overseas player on less than a 2-3 year deal. Already under contract for 2011 are:

Crocker
Lauaki
Berrigan

I'd go for using the other 2 spots for a SH and either renewing Manu's contract or a centre.

This assumes that these would all count as the 5 overseas players and are not exempt due to the latest confusing RFL fudge about existing contracted players - not really sure how that would affect us.

We have far too many players who "do okay" and "work hard" and if we want to be a top 2 side within the next 5 or 6 years we need much much better than that.

Think he has suffered for not having a nailed down position.. I would like to see him put on a stone and play at 13.

If we renewed his contract he wouldn't count as quota.

In comparative terms, he's no more a poor excuse for a centre than Calderwood is a poor excuse for a winger or almost any other player in the team is a poor excuse for their position. You can't have a go at our top try scorer for costing us a few tries! Our entire back division (as uninspiring as they are) are playing behind a beaten pack of plodders.

Reardon hasnt even played and you want rid...at least he is a bloody F/B.

Whiting should be kept....let him go and he will bite us on the ar$e.

Errrrr yes we can...he may have got 5 but if he must have let about 6 in....outweighs that doesnt it....Whiting is better at centre than G.Horne...simple as.

Ofcourse he is, Calderwood's a proven winger, G Horne just got stuck in the centres because that's where there was a gap, he isn't a centre, he bombed a try on Friday. Him and Richard Horne cost us 2 tries against Cas, Cullen alluded to the fact they're suspect in defence (Ok maybe not the greatest mind in the world but he still knows his stuff imo).

Saints have Gidley, Leeds have Senior and we have... Graham Horne.

He has singlehandedly let in 6 has he? Don't be so soft! Whiting is no more a centre than Graeme is. Simple as.

Motu - Get rid

Calderwood - Should never of signed him, Get rid

Craig Hall - as a centre Time spent in reserves to try and iron out weaknessesand bulk him up. If to no avail get shot.

G Horne - last couple of seasons played well but not the type of player we require to go places. Get Rid

Thorman - Should never of bought him, get rid

King - had too many chances over the years shows glimpses here and ther but time to go. Get rid

Cusack - Dowes esque, good servant no new deal though. Get rid

Radford - time to part company. Get Rid

Tommy Lee - Get rid

Reardon - Not sure yet, we'll have to see what he produces, If and it's a big if R. Horne get's moved to full back then get rid or if he goes ok, keep as a back up squad player.

Raynor - Keep

Tom Briscoe - 100% keeper

R Horne - Had his natural talents coached out of him, would be great at full back or i'd also maybe like to see him as a 13 if Washy went, room to roam around and good hands he'd be more suited to either of those positions as opposed to in the halves.

Dowes - solid grafter, good defence, safe hands every team needs settler props he's one of ours. Keep

Berro - World class player, lost his way a bit. Get some top players around him, get some discipline instilled into the team and some leaders and he'll be back to his best. Defo Keep
Thacks - 1yr contractm, give him some stern words. Keep

Maloney - Liked this lad at Dewsbury, liked his efforts at Saints, seems to have the correct attitude we need in the team. Keep

Moa - Big future in the game and please let it be with us. Improved fitness and he'll be a world beater rugged tough prop every team needs. 3 yr deal defo keep.

Tickle - Good grafter, good kicker, think he should be spelled though as opposed to playing 80. Keep

Burnett - keep

Manu - On his day simply one of the most powerful 2nd rowers in the game needs to be more consitent. Keep

Washbrook - Just not sure about Washy, showed promising signs early in career seems to be a bit laboured at times, extended run at 13 could see him back to best, possibly 1 to moniter on short contracts.

Houghton - Definate keeper, gonna be awesome when full developed, let's just hope he doesn't get his talents coached out of him.

Whiting - Squad player and a top one too. Keep.

Do you not see how we improved when Whiting went to centre and how much better Calderwood looks?

He once won SLYPOTY whilst playing centre you know.

Whiting...YPOY playing centre....2005...hope that helps.

Horne gets turned a lot in the centre and cost us 2 v cas.....he isnt a centre and neither is whiting now but he is a damn sight better than Horne.

Our only attacking centre is being ruined by Playing at F/B.

I agree on the Hall point but totally disagree that Graeme alone can take the wrap for conceding two tries against Cas. I put that defeat down to numerous dropped balls, mainly from Hall and Thorman. I remember very well when Whiting won YPOTY playing (mainly) at centre in a very good Hull side with fantastic distribution from our halves, something Graeme hasn't had despite scoring all his tries. Whiting was excellent that year at rushing out the line to stem the opposition centre, but very average in attack other than his interceptions. He also missed 33 tackles in 19 appearances.

When fans think Graham Horne is a good enough centre for a team who want to be a top 2 side no wonder we are where we are...

FYI I don't think we have 4 players worthy of a top 2 side.

So why you saying we should keep Horne then?

I'm saying we're nowhere near a top two side and in my opinion, Horne is equally as good/bad as 90% of our squad. To single him out is not only grossly unfair but bordering on the ridiculous when there's people playing alongside him clearly putting in much less effort and performing much worse. I'll agree to get rid if we're getting rid of the rest of the 90% but I don't see any struggling expansion teams we can swallow at the moment!

Exactly.