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| Quote ="unknownlegend"your "coach" on the radio saying we won't make the play-offs it hardly gives you the lift you need after yesterday. I have (once again) emailed Rule:-
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You have to believe I was on the right lines with my email earlier this year. Picture the scene 7,000 people jumping up and down, hugging each other and cheering, Where? AT CRAVEN PARK YESTERDAY when the score at Castleford was announced. The same 7,000 have been laughing at us for 2 years solid now. Where are Rovers in the league after only 2 years in SL? they are placed solidly at 4th, why? BECAUSE THEY HAVE A WORLD CLASS COACH! Take Warrington, poor coach, not performing, they bring in Tony Smith, where are they now? in the semis and definitely going to be in the play-offs!! There's a pattern emerging here James, can you see it?
If you think (& I believe you do) that 3-4 new signings will make us a great team, then your are way,way off the mark, a great team is led by a great leader, ask Alex Ferguson. Carry on with Richard and you yourself will be out of a job, make no mistake about that.
I will have to go to Craven Park because I have tickets, but it will be the last away match for me I'm afraid, I will continue to support us at home. Being absolutely hammered by a team that are new to SL and not won a game at home since March was unfortunately the last straw for me yesterday. To rub salt in the wound our "coach" on the radio this morning saying we have no chance of reaching the play-offs! Dear me I never thought we would slip so far behind these tin pot clubs.
Don't bother replying James, I've heard every possible angle, reason, excuse and it just does'nt wash with me anymore.'"
as long as you didn't get carried away!
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| Quote ="Dave K."This season pretty much over for me.
I wouldnt be suprised if we didnt win another game, the only positive that I can see is that around half the team that turned up yesterday shouldnt be here next season.'"
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| Quote ="unknownlegend"your "coach" on the radio saying we won't make the play-offs it hardly gives you the lift you need after yesterday. I have (once again) emailed Rule:-
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You have to believe I was on the right lines with my email earlier this year. Picture the scene 7,000 people jumping up and down, hugging each other and cheering, Where? AT CRAVEN PARK YESTERDAY when the score at Castleford was announced. The same 7,000 have been laughing at us for 2 years solid now. Where are Rovers in the league after only 2 years in SL? they are placed solidly at 4th, why? BECAUSE THEY HAVE A WORLD CLASS COACH! Take Warrington, poor coach, not performing, they bring in Tony Smith, where are they now? in the semis and definitely going to be in the play-offs!! There's a pattern emerging here James, can you see it?
If you think (& I believe you do) that 3-4 new signings will make us a great team, then your are way,way off the mark, a great team is led by a great leader, ask Alex Ferguson. Carry on with Richard and you yourself will be out of a job, make no mistake about that.
I will have to go to Craven Park because I have tickets, but it will be the last away match for me I'm afraid, I will continue to support us at home. Being absolutely hammered by a team that are new to SL and not won a game at home since March was unfortunately the last straw for me yesterday. To rub salt in the wound our "coach" on the radio this morning saying we have no chance of reaching the play-offs! Dear me I never thought we would slip so far behind these tin pot clubs.
Don't bother replying James, I've heard every possible angle, reason, excuse and it just does'nt wash with me anymore.'"
I needed cheering up
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| Quote ="unknownlegend"your "coach" on the radio saying we won't make the play-offs it hardly gives you the lift you need after yesterday. I have (once again) emailed Rule:-
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You have to believe I was on the right lines with my email earlier this year. Picture the scene 7,000 people jumping up and down, hugging each other and cheering, Where? AT CRAVEN PARK YESTERDAY when the score at Castleford was announced. The same 7,000 have been laughing at us for 2 years solid now. Where are Rovers in the league after only 2 years in SL? they are placed solidly at 4th, why? BECAUSE THEY HAVE A WORLD CLASS COACH! Take Warrington, poor coach, not performing, they bring in Tony Smith, where are they now? in the semis and definitely going to be in the play-offs!! There's a pattern emerging here James, can you see it?
If you think (& I believe you do) that 3-4 new signings will make us a great team, then your are way,way off the mark, a great team is led by a great leader, ask Alex Ferguson. Carry on with Richard and you yourself will be out of a job, make no mistake about that.
I will have to go to Craven Park because I have tickets, but it will be the last away match for me I'm afraid, I will continue to support us at home. Being absolutely hammered by a team that are new to SL and not won a game at home since March was unfortunately the last straw for me yesterday. To rub salt in the wound our "coach" on the radio this morning saying we have no chance of reaching the play-offs! Dear me I never thought we would slip so far behind these tin pot clubs.
Don't bother replying James, I've heard every possible angle, reason, excuse and it just does'nt wash with me anymore.'"
Rovers fans would cheer,we would do the same if roles were reversed.Been going on for years.
Whilst I agree Justin is a good coach, but world class??....give over.
Its a good job we wont reach the play offs. As it stands we would be dumped out first hurdle.
A bit unfair calling sides like Cas tin pot.They are in super league therefore worthy opponents.
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| Quote ="Dave K."This season pretty much over for me.
I wouldnt be suprised if we didnt win another game, the only positive that I can see is that around half the team that played yesterday shouldnt be here next season.'"
No they shouldn't but until they put their words into actions I fear that the majority will be there.
The time has come now for the club to announce who will be going and sit them an the sidelines until the end of the season. I would rather we got walloped by the likes of Cas but go down fighting as opposed to the shambles that was served up by a totally unprofessional bunch of has beens that represented us yesterday.
Forget where they were born, what medals they have from the past etc just get rid now. We are destined to finish 13th at this rate which is even by some on heres expectations is appaling.
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| Quote ="hfc herts"No they shouldn't but until they put their words into actions I fear that the majority will be there.
The time has come now for the club to announce who will be going and sit them an the sidelines until the end of the season. I would rather we got walloped by the likes of Cas but go down fighting as opposed to the shambles that was served up by a totally unprofessional bunch of has beens that represented us yesterday.
Forget where they were born, what medals they have from the past etc just get rid now. We are destined to finish 13th at this rate which is even by some on heres expectations is appaling.'"
You seem to think it's willy nilly that you can just get rid of half the team not even thinking of who can replace them... Oh wait, the U21's, a very young U21 side who get out muscled by most of there peers in that league. Do you even think how it might mess up their development?
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| Quote ="Wollagong Way"C'mon how often are coaches given time to build their own team FFS!?!?! We are in a results business, if Agar was half decent he would have made the most with what he has got (maybe he has!!!!!) You are clutching at straws on this one!!!
He (Agar) has had 18 months or so to improve things and he has taken us backwards! Yes he has had injury problems but so did Peter Sharp, i would support Agar if i had confidence in his coaching ability and this run of form was solely down to lack of players available....however i don't think that is the case!
If we had any ounce of a gameplan, if we had attacking structures in place that were effective we could pick 13 monkeys and a decent coach would get more out of em that what Agar is. Simply the guy is out his depth!'"
I agree Tony Smith has turned Warrington around with the same players apart from swapping Gleeson for Mathers. Nathan Brown has done wonders at Huddersfield with just a handful of his own signings.
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| Quote ="Matty_HullFC"You seem to think it's willy nilly that you can just get rid of half the team not even thinking of who can replace them... Oh wait, the U21's, a very young U21 side who get out muscled by most of there peers in that league. Do you even think how it might mess up their development?'"
If I thought for one moment they were being developed correctly then I might worry. As someone who watches the 21s regularly I fail to see any development at all. BUT what I would see is a bit of commitment from the first minute unlike the drivel that is being served up at the moment were the commitment for the cause starts in minute 50 when the game is lost.
All I ask for is pride and commitment to the shirt they wear. If you reckon you are getting that at the moment then tell me where I am going wrong.
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| All the "give Agar time", "it isn't his team" rhetoric that has been spouted on here has achieved exactly what some of us warned you.
I bet Crocker is delighted he never got a visa, and Berrigan et al are wondering what the hell they signed up for.
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| Quote ="Standee"All the "give Agar time", "it isn't his team" rhetoric that has been spouted on here has achieved exactly what some of us warned you.
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I suppose the simple answer to that would be "it still isn't his team".
I think the vast, vast majority of that rhetoric has been coming from the club rather than the fans. Most fans seem to think, quite rightly, that he's not up to the job.
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| Wondered how long it would take for this thread to start.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"I suppose the simple answer to that would be "it still isn't his team".
I think the vast, vast majority of that rhetoric has been coming from the club rather than the fans. Most fans seem to think, quite rightly, that he's not up to the job.'"
I also seem to remember most of the fans didn't want him appointed in the first place so I'm not sure where this thread is coming from?
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| Quote ="Rock God X"I suppose the simple answer to that would be "it still isn't his team".
I think the vast, vast majority of that rhetoric has been coming from the club rather than the fans. Most fans seem to think, quite rightly, that he's not up to the job.'"
Does any coach really have their own team? Tony Smith at Wire doesn't????
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| Quote ="Robbo4"I also seem to remember most of the fans didn't want him appointed in the first place so I'm not sure where this thread is coming from?'"
Me neither, but I know where it's going...
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| Quote ="GM1"Does any coach really have their own team? Tony Smith at Wire doesn't????
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Correct - like i've said in other posts that argument is one just to hide behind!!!
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| Quote ="GM1"Does any coach really have their own team? Tony Smith at Wire doesn't????
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You're missing my point.
Some people (very few) have argued that it's unfair to judge Agar on this season's performances because it isn't his team. To say 'I told you so' to those people now is a little odd because it still isn't his team. Whether or not you think their argument is valid, the circumstances on which they based their argument haven't changed.
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| Quote ="Standee"All the "give Agar time", "it isn't his team" rhetoric that has been spouted on here has achieved exactly what some of us warned you.
I bet Crocker is delighted he never got a visa, and Berrigan et al are wondering what the hell they signed up for.'"
Anyone else think the recent stories of RL players in Oz getting drunk and misbehaving is to keep them off Hull FC's radar?
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| I really thought it was a bad appointment when it was announced however I tihnk he needs time to finish what he is doing with the squad. If a new man comes in at the end of the season, it'll be he needs time to assess the players which'll mean that players who are in contract but aren't good enough e.g. King, Radford, Tickle will stay and we may miss out on more promising signings for next year.
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| Quote ="Matty_HullFC"I really thought it was a bad appointment when it was announced however I tihnk he needs time to finish what he is doing with the squad. If a new man comes in at the end of the season, it'll be he needs time to assess the players which'll mean that players who are in contract but aren't good enough e.g. King, Radford, Tickle will stay and we may miss out on more promising signings for next year.'"
That's either "nothing", in which case he can finish now, or getting us to the bottom of SL, which starts with defeat on Friday night.
Either way it's no good at all.
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| Quote ="Chris28"That's either "nothing", in which case he can finish now, or getting us to the bottom of SL, which starts with defeat on Friday night.
Either way it's no good at all.'"
If he went now, do you think the squad he'll leave behind will be better than the one who inherited?
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| Quote ="Matty_HullFC"If he went now, do you think the squad he'll leave behind will be better than the one who inherited?'"
Currently no, because there's no inclination from a large bunch of them to be bothered. On paper we still have a decent team, but we'd have struggled to score yesterday if Cas had walked off the pitch.
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| Quote ="Matty_HullFC"If he went now, do you think the squad he'll leave behind will be better than the one who inherited?'"
No, their ability has not changed, their application has.
If he went now my biggest fear is who would come in, Sharp/Noble? No thanks to either, both failed SL coaches already.
We need to spend some money and bring in an established, top class, coach, especially before any more retention/signings are completed.
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| Quote ="Matty_HullFC"aren't good enough e.g. King, Radford, Tickle'"
They were good enough to be important members of the team when the Challenge cup was won or when a Grand final was reached so whats gone wrong with them or the other players that quite a few posters want releasing?
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| Quote ="Standee"No, their ability has not changed, their application has.
If he went now my biggest fear is who would come in, Sharp/Noble? No thanks to either, both failed SL coaches already.
We need to spend some money and bring in an established, top class, coach, especially before any more retention/signings are completed.'"
Ahhh if only hey...just can't see it happening!
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