I'm really starting to think refs manufacture close games purposely, like it makes it entertaining or something. Saying tha,t our goal line defence is shocking. All we do is panic.

Think that was Sneyd but from where I was sat didn't look like he touched anyone.

Certainly not as clear as Gale running into Shaul last week from the kick off which didn't get punished.

You got some luck off the officials as well though.

If we did its the only thing thaler gave us, still no excuse for failing to act on tautai

It's not a knee jerk reaction but I just don't think they are good enough. Pryce is way passed his best and seems to go missing. Sneyd is capable of good things but at times his decision making is like his defence terrible. Both of them need to take the line on more to keep the opposition guessing. Really fecked off by that. Wigan were poor but know how to win close games. I, like probably most of the fans knew that even when we took the lead late on we would panic and lose.

i'm not even sure tautai was placed on report, i think he was just warned with penalty sufficient. i've always been against lifting in the tackle, its dangerous. we have already had a serious case in the NRL, and its only a matter of time before a player over here suffers a serious injury. time to start red carding such offences

Thaler bottled it. Sin binning should have been the minimum

defo agree pryce should make way, still thought sneyd played ok

He wasn't put on report. Thaler sychophantic to the 'big' team tonight without the Sky cameras watching. Our crap motivation cost us the game, but Thaler was an added hurdle, imo.

Tautai banned for bottom side Leeds? They'll still look at it despite not being on report. Does Leeds being bottom trump Wigan being darling?

Pryce is past-it, I think he's trying but his legs have gone...but he's Radders mate so...

Sums it up well. Much more disappointing than last week. wigan were way understrength and had to do very little to beat us. Most worrying part is that we've gone away from what we were doing well in the first 2 games. it seems to me that if teams don't roll over and let us dominate then we are incapable of doing anything about it. Little or no support play, one man rugby, poor distribution from acting half, no dummy runners, no set plays, half backs who don;t run with the ball, clueless in the oppo 20 and shocking goal line defence. It's like 2014 and 2015 all over again. We've thrown away 4 points in the last week.

You can blame watts for his brainfart offload or sneyd for kicking the ball into his own player but the game was lost in that first half when we couldn't turn overwhelming field position into points.

Needs sorting and quickly or we could find ourselves in the mddle 8's

Agree with both of you.

Middle 8s point is a good one. Widnes are racking up points and Salford look dangerous, even with a couple of points docked they'll be there or thereabouts. Catalans are always slow starters. It's hard to call who will join Wakefield IMO.

Need to win the next 3 games, no ifs or buts, 3 games we won last season, anything less and we'll be looking down not up

Apart from Wakefield and Rovers , who else can we look forward to with ease ?

Radford can't coach this team to defend. The ironical thing was he was a reasonably decent defensive coach when Gentle was here.

He 's not up to the job of Head Coach and never has been. I have been radfud out since day 1 and nothing changes.

We have conceded an average of 25.5 points a game at home this season in the 3 games v Cas, Reds and Wigan.

Last 2 seasons we did the same in 1st 3 games. Nothing has changed defemsively.

What happened to Fortress KC ?

My goodness we need a win at red hot top of table Widnes LOL

Yeah cos beating Catalans away in July and the reigning champions isn't comparable. .that with 4 rookies and a season long injury crisis.
What's ridiculous is your notion that it's acceptable to finish outside the play-offs for a third season running and that with a squad that's the best we've had in years. You basically say it's okay to be mediocre!
Mediocrity IS failure and if we do not reach the playoffs OR a final (no matter who we draw) that's exactly what we would be..bang average.
Keep setting your sights low, you reek of failure.

Absolute rubbish, I said no such thing.







We all know what you reek of.

Very frustrating again .
Why can we never seem to see a game out ?
Poor discipline again . Woeful defending at times . No brains .
Watts for me should be dropped, he is a penalty machine and his actions have cost us dearly .
We lack an on field General , our halfbacks are just adequate, but will not propel us to the top echelon. Why can we never get hold of someone like Sandow or Lui ?

did wish fm commentator say that too

Half backs simply not doing their job properly in the last 2 gaems. Forwards have laid a platform and we've had plenty of time in the opposition 20 metre area but the halfs have created very little.

Totally agree. They still look like strangers to each other, there is no partnership there at all. Neither have take any responsibility to get us on the front foot, that falls to Houghton. Very disappointed with them. Pryce to a degree I can accept and understand, he was a great player in his prime but that was a while back now and he's no longer up to it. Sneyd on the other hand just doesn't appear to have what it truly takes to be the commanding/dominating half we need to make us genuine challengers.

I think you can blame the halfs, but also our outside backs are firing and our wingers are too slow.

We had a couple of half chances that the Wigan wingers would have finished, we ours just don't have the pace off the mark. Micheals finished well, but if he was quicker it wouldn't have been so tight, like the Charnley try.

A couple of times we kicked ahead, which is pointless with our wingers, the only time it worked, Talanoa kicked it into row Z in the North stand.

We need some pace on the wings.

id be tempted to play naughton or lancaster v widnes

Yep , There should be no excuses having played together last season and having a full pre season together , At times both look void of any attacking idea . Sneyd really needs to kick on this season with the forwards he's playing behind .

Just seen the try's, poor defence on the right for the first two, Manu should be disappointed with his efforts for both of them. Shocker by Carlos for the 3rd. The offload gets no better on a 2nd view.