Why apologise? Typical chip on shoulder vitriolic response from bitter and twisted rovers fan.

Just trying to be polite and avoid the [uSERIOUSLY SAD [/uear bashing I got last time I posted

I think what ccs means is something like this (using totally hypothetical figures as I cba looking anything up):

2011 - ave att of 14,000 per game
2012 - 13,000
2013 - 12,000
2014 - 11,000
2015 - 10,000

Using again a completely made up figures of £15 per person and 13 home games a year:
vs 2015's average:
2011 - 4,000 x 13 x £15
2012 - 3,000 x 13 x £15
2013 - 2,000 x 13 x £15
2014 - 1,000 x 13 x £15

So, he's saying over a 4-year period, 2015 vs 2011 if we'd have kept gate receipts at 2011's level, we'd have £x more in the bank. Not saying he or the figures are correct mind, just that's how he's done his workings

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Ultimately im disappointed with the team, more so with pearson sticking with radford, still not cutting it for me

It wont stop me renewing next season as i am thankful we gave a team to support atm, its easy to criticise pearson on his decisions interviews etc but ateod nobody else would have bought the club or looks like buying the club

Weve had lloyd who was far worse than Pearson, kath and her cronies who had no intention of taking the club futher or investing into it, out of those who would people want?

You cant force people to buy passes but whilst not agreeing with what pearson said about fans killing the club if we dont turn up, we are part of that jigsaw that keeps the club going, so in a way we are hurting our club by not renewing, which everyone has the right not too, but our investment is atm a fraction of what pearson has put in

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Except the figures I've stated are taken straight from the club itself which clearly show that the drop is nothing like what the HDM state. Given the increases in pass costs - 2011 the cheapest was £195 I think, this season it was £260, juniors is now £90, in 2011 it was £45 IIRC the total net revenue is not that much difference and not even close to being the £2.5M ccs keeps banging on about.
It's royally hacked me off the way Pearson is making out he's a pauper and that he's saying in a veiled way the future of the club is in the fans hands and by not turning up we (the fans) are putting the club in jeopardy, I find that extremely offensive!

As I said, I'm just helping to explain what ccs mean't, where his 10k came from, and the working he probably used.

Lets face it. You find many things offensive, particularly those people who don't agree with your view of things.

I think you need to have a sit down and think about what you're trying to say. In 2011, our average attendance was 12400 according to bumpy's figures, which I assume are correct. Are you suggesting we've lost 10k of these attendees every game for the last 4 years?

The real flaw in your "logic" (Ignoring the fact that your 14k to 10k attendances never happened), is that you're counting people multiple times. Of the 4k who supposedly no longer attend, you're counting them all as not being at every game, plus 3k of them again for 2 years, 2k for 3 years and 1k for 4 years. If you can't see that's plainly wrong then you really shouldn;t be questioning the intelligence of anyone else

I think he is trying to say £250 x 10,000 is £2.5m. So I guess 2500 passes per annum @ £250.

I know what he's trying to say but what he actually said is:

Adds up to a total of 10k didn't go over a 4 year period to every single game

His figures are wrong anyway, he has ignored VAT, ignored the fact that not everyone who is no longer attending isn't an adult, ignored the intervening price increases and ignored the fact that we have an income sharing agreement with the SMC. The figure of £2.5m is way off the mark.

According to bumpy's figures, we've lost a total of 40050 supporters through the gate in total in the last 4 seasons, if we use 2011 attendance figures as a baseline. Ignoring the extra game in 2015 and any intervening price rises, let's take an average ticket price of £18 which is likely on the high side. This would be £15 after VAT, giving a gross income loss of approx £600k over the 4 seasons. I'm not sure what the current income sharing scheme is with the SMC but if it's still 50/50 then we've "lost" a maximum of £300k (and likely a fair bit less) in ticket income over the period in question. Some way off the £2.5m reported

Lets face it.

Baristas threat of 1000 people not renewing their pass this year will not end the club.


Gates dropping below 7k will hit us financially.

And if Pearson is bleating on about how our gates are at 6k, why on earth haven't they been announced at that, hes admitting false accounting

Without doubt Pearson has made mistakes most of them through bad advice ,we knew his knowledge of Rl was limited and he did have to rely on those who he thought knew best.Clearly he was given some really poor advice and now he is paying the price, however i do feelbsome of his comments are puzzling ." Rovers have better attendances than us" ??? I dont know how he came up with that because look at the figures given out by both Clubs and it shows a different story. You dont need to be a mastermind winner to know that falling crowds meens less cash and that puts the Club in trouble,we all have opinions what needs doing to change it but thereality is whats happening now and mock him if like but he is right the Club needs backing to invest more to make the Club better.The Radford out brigade need to understand Pearson is sticking by him and that wont change any time now and withdrawing support will do the club more harm then good and if your true fans you wont want this.Come on back the Club or lose it

My thoughts exactly!! well said that man!

They announce the attendance based on ticket sales, rather than bodies through the door. So if 3,000 people with passes didn't bother, they'd still be shown as part of the attendance. It's not just Hull FC who do it, it's fairly standard practise across sporting events, festivals, concerts etc.

Nope, nothing false about it.

What a set of odious, repugnant, self-entitled "fans" we're becoming.

We're still much better off than the majority of my time as a Hull fan, and yet we have in our history never had so many whining ingrates. If anyone thinks that sacking Radford and getting rid of Pearson is somehow going to rocket us into top four certainties, then they are retarded.

The singular issue holding the club back is the financial constraints of our terms at the stadium. That will be a millstone around the clubs neck whoever is in charge.

It's not , it's the quality of rugby and the lack of success. The experience of the "jam tomorrow" over the years and a lack of confidence in the future based on some stupid decisions in the recent past by the current owner don't help either. The fact that we were so well placed in 2011 to press on and messed it up big time is disappointing at best.

don't be silly, it's always someone else's fault, that is the way FC fans roll now.

Radford is rubbish, end of conversation.

You really don't get it do you.

There was an article in the HDM which I based my figures on....



If you read carefully, we will notice that it refers to a 4k drop in attendances over four years.
It might be right, it might be wrong, but it is based on 2010's average of 14,000.

Anyway, back to the bit you can't understand. I'm not counting twice or three times....

A 1k drop in attendance, so 1k don't go, so over 4 years 4k don't go.
The following year, another 1k drop in attendance, so another 1k don't go, so over 3 years another 3k don't go.

After 4 years, the equivalent of 10k haven't bought a pass, say, during that 4 year period.

If you can't see that's plainly right then you really shouldn't be questioning the intelligence of anyone else.

indeed, and they don't go because the product is inferior, simple market forces.

Which is the point you clown

Why is Pearson bleating that crowds are at 6k?

Hes sold 7000+ season tickets, so our average "sales" are at 9k per game, so in annoucing 6k he gets zero credit. because 9000 have paid for that game.

If he'd sold 5000 passes and gates started the year at 9000 and ended year at 5k, then bleat how our gares are smaller then the 50 nil club.

I just dont see the point in him giving negative spin

..... or maybe he is saying only 6k paid and went to the game, which is worrying, surely?

How is that possible

Attendance 9k+

pass holders 7k+

Large queues outside ticket office picking up tickets, plenty using "pay on the day gates"

I've no idea - attendances have always been a mystery to me.
Were there really 1500 more at the cat game, even allowing for "lots of free tickets"?

If attendances include all passholders, whether or not they attend, plus the SMC allocation, then maybe 2k+ passholders simply didn't go.

(I believe pass sales were nearer 8k than 7k.)

All well and good but what you actually said was

Adds up to a total of 10k didn't go over a 4 year period to every single game

Which isn't what you're trying to say at all. Notwithstanding your poor communication of your calculations, you're figures are completely wrong as I've already said due to you completely ignoring a number of fundamental things which would influence income