Took a friend to the game tonight. For a few weeks now he's been murmuring that he's going to get a pass for next season for him and his wife.
As we left tonight he commented, think that tonight has convinced me not to waste my money.
Wonder how many others feel the same now after watching the same old dross for the last few weeks and seasons.
Tough choices to be made but that's as far as it goes now for Lee now imo.
See the season out, then leave with reputation in tact.

Absolutely gutted by tonight's performance. Something gotta change. Some players are either not fit or not going at it 100%. Yet radford still keeps picking them.

Maybe Radford should step down and become the Director if rugby and let someone else sort out what he obviously can’t.

radford doesn't believe he shoulders any blame for our poor performances. I've not heard his interview after tonight's game but last time out he just blamed the players and took no responsibility himself. No wonder the players are putting in the performances they are. Who wants to work for someone who publicly slags you off on a regular basis?

He's too strong of a character for that to work. He would soon fall out with a Head Coach if he was say storming into the dressing room, or giving one of his soundbytes to the press.

Bringing in someone more junior as an Assistant could work, I think the club have been crying out for an Attacking coach for about 15 years now. McRae and Kear were the last ones to play a brand of Rugby id describe as having attacking flair. The coaching staff have also spent most of their careers at Hull, its a very insular bubble.

as bad as our attack is, the defence is worse. Defence is an indicator of attitude to me and ours stinks

What defence? A hot knive has a harder time getting through butter than the opposition does against us. The pts agsinst this season is pitiful and telling.
Defence was Radfords security at the start of his tenure but we’ve got worse each season defensively.

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This insular Hull bubble is a major problem at the club
Yeaman was a prime example.Kept on at the club two seasons too long and then given an internal job which he had no qualifications for.
Richard Horne given a coaching role then allowed to go part time to take up a coaching job at Doncaster
Never dropping Houghton,Taylor or Shaul even when their form dipped and would have allowed a reserve player to come in to show what they could do.
It wont happen but you have to say that Radford has failed badly and is living on the back of the C/C victories.
He is very lucky to have the backing of Pearson as any other coach would have been long gone by now.
I dont think we need any more assistants,we need a complete change of the coaching staff

In my opinion Radford has to go the problem is in rugby that there isn't a really good time to sack a coach especially as we sign the majority of the players during the current season which Radford will have picked. Fonua is massive pals with Radford so he will have been a reason for signing. I also believe Pearson just won't get rid of Radford and go down the Aussie route after been stung financially with McRae and Gentle. The signing we have made will get the fans back but still feel our style of rugby will leave us behind.wonser when his new contract will get announced.

Pearson wont sack radford unless there is a financial reason to and while we all keep buying season passes and turning up there is no financial reason to get rid

Cant argue with any of the above comments...
The 'excuse' of 'not me guv' from Radford clearly shows he has no idea,how to man-manage a group of individuals -IMO
In any walk of life, a Manager's main duty is to motivate staff and creates an environment where employees thrive. Can anyone honestly say this is happening at Hull FC???
Then we have the comments from Adam Pearson, "as long as I'm the owner, LR has the job"
That's a crazy statement to make, for mine - apathy has crept in... the club has gone stale.
The whole coaching set up, needs a major shakeup, with staff with new ideas and attitude...
I wouldnt mind, the likes of Watson or Wane.. but of course it wont happen...

Most people I know want Radford to do well, and don’t want to be calling for anyone to be removed.

What we are seeing though is the same thing occurring over and over again. We are totally clueless going forward, and once we get into the oppositions 25, we can only score one through barge overs.
It looks like we’re going for size again in 2020, so I’m presuming it will be more of getting upfield with some grunt, then kick to the corner on tackle 5.

We seem to be reliant on individuals (eg Kelly) creating things, rather than having systems in place to create the opportunities.

I just dont get the "no point in shoulting and kicking stones in the dressing room because they dont respond"

Sorry Lee that means they dont respect you, i would have been livid if I was coach, I put 110% effort in everything I do and I expect others to be the same.

If we do not make the Top 5 then this season is a failure for sure.

This shows why unfortunately he is not the person to take the club any further as he is unable to manage them. The players rule the roost clearly and are not being held to account for their woeful performances. So why is next season going to any different?

Giving them all a week off has worked wonders too hasn’t it??? NOT!!

Whilst I agree with most sentiments on the thread, I’m not usually a coach baiter, and don’t like the upheaval it brings to the club. If you look at Radford’s tenure, it took a couple of seasons to rid the club of McRae and Gentles rubbish signings. Once done and Lee got HIS team we flirted with success for 2 seasons, 2 tremendous Wembley wins and in 2017 we could have easily won the treble. Since then, poor recruitment or retention have done us. Adam Pearson said after he’d binned Gentle, that he wouldn’t accept enormous swings in team performance anymore but that is exactly what we have had for 2 seasons. To put this season into context, we have been beaten in a tense and hard fought CC semi by the eventual winners, had second place in the league easily within our grasp but look like finishing one place above Leed’s worse team ever in 7th. I’ve heard the term “ punching above our weight” used a lot but even with this seasons poor recruitment, if Radford was the coach Pearson believes him to be, we could have achieved so much more. Radford has been allowed to identify players he wants for next season and most have been signed. AP has to share the blame for allowing older players to be retained this season for whatever reasons (Mini and Sika) and that’s probably why he’s backing Radders but as the owner he has to back up his own convictions and performance on the pitch the last 2 seasons have been unacceptable, time to put up or shut up. I’ve posted a couple of times that if it was possible, Ian Watson would make all the difference but I can’t see him playing second fiddle to Radford or visa versa. So the obvious answer is replace our coaching team with new personnel but it just won’t happen. That’s why the club is filled with apathy from top to bottom and needs a clean sweep.

That's a well balanced post and I agree with your sentiments.
Credit to you for saying that as you've been a staunch Radford supporter if my memory serves me well.
It must have got to something if yourself and Hull2524 are now questioning Radford's coaching future.

It's a strange situation that we find ourselves in. Having identified that some players have been retained for too long, probably on the back of the Challenge Cup wins the owner seems to be making the same mistake with the coach! What he achieved was amazing and will become club folklore but it must not be allowed to muddy the waters where the future is concerned. It is history after all.

I believe Radford is a decent coach. I think overall he's been great for us. I also think when/if he leaves us he'll be a successful coach at another club. However, I believe all coaches have a shelf life. With the players seemingly lacking either the creativity or the game plan to stop making any trip to the KC painful, I can't see any other option than getting a new coach in with new ideas. I don't see it happening though.

I would be amazed if Radford was replaced before next season.

What Barry McDermott said on the telly last night hit the nail on the head in my opinion. Radford is good coach, but some of his players are not performing. This from a former player.

And the responsibility for that is Radford's. He's already admitted that he doesn't know what to do with them. What more incentive does the owner need to make a change?

The coach isn’t going anywhere.
Next year will bring higher expectations, due to the signings, but Radford has already alluded to that.
Still think we need strengthening in the coaching ranks. I bet other teams have bigger coaching staffs than we have.
Plus we need a fresh voice, especially in attack (and defence judging by our home performances!)

We've become a "one trick pony side " for to long , other teams know how to play against us and nullify anything we attack with , yet we persist in still going down the same path with the same old plays and structures that just don't work . I don't think Radford knows anything different and will still persist in a failed game plan.
The shine of the two Wembley wins has well and truly gone now in many supporters eyes , Time for change , Thanks for the memories Lee .

we are still good enough away,10 wins from 13 is top 2 performance,its at home were we underperform 5 wins from 13 games is relegation zone stuff..