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| Quote ="Dave K."Hull identified the problem a couple of years ago, but you can only do so much, the player also needs to put the effort in, Radford can't stop Abdul going to KFC or his Mum feeding him junk food every night. Not playing him last season and sending him on loan to the lower leagues seems to have seems to have given Abdul a wake up call, I'm sure Sheens will help him development but let's not pretend that Sheens is perfect and has every single player he has had has developed and improved.
Radford does a very good job developing players and he seems to be handling Kelly very well and has improved a lot of our youngsters and established players. You can critise Radford for a few things, but is pretty good at player development if they have the right attitude.
It it now up to Abdul if he wants to play for a top 8 SL side or a championship/bottom 4 SL side next year.'"
How can you say with hand on heart that radford is very good at developing players?
Who exactly has he developed in 3.5 years?
Radford couldn't develop a dose of clap in a French brothel that's why we are having to sign other clubs youngsters and have Turgut and Fash who are just about passable as SL std. That's due to them getting older/bigger not to being 'developed' in any special way.
3.5 years on and not a single player in this time has debut'd and gone on from the academy to be a first choice in the XVII
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"How can you say with hand on heart that radford is very good at developing players?
Who exactly has he developed in 3.5 years?
Radford couldn't develop a dose of clap in a French brothel that's why we are having to sign other clubs youngsters and have Turgut and Fash who are just about passable as SL std. That's due to them getting older/bigger not to being 'developed' in any special way.
3.5 years on and not a single player in this time has debut'd and gone on from the academy to be a first choice in the XVII'"
I think you are forgetting that Radford was number 2 when Gentle was here and had a big say in developing young players, as I've said before in reply to your posts which you then ignored he more or less brought through Lineham and Shaul (both who Gentle wanted to get rid)
Shaul, Bowden, Hadley, Lineham all went from but part players to regulars under Radford.
He has also helped improve many players including Shaul, Houghton, Sneyd, Bowden and Green. (Maybe even Watts)
It all isn't about how many debut, but if it is Litten, Fash, Turgut, Downs, Masi, Logan, Abdul have all made their debuts under Radford.
It's all about timing, players like Fash weren't ready last year, I know you think you know more than him, but you don't he sees them every day and will know if they are ready to play the odd game, play regularly or need to go out on loan.
Let's be honest you will never say anything positive even when the facts are right there.
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| Abdull: Broken foot, needs surgery, out for up to 3 months.
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| Quote ="ccs"Abdull: Broken foot, needs surgery, out for up to 3 months.'"
Real shame for the lad. His attitude has been spot on - his chasing back and saving some seemingly lost causes defensively have been among his highlights for me. Hopefully he can still be involved in the 8s. But whatever happens, I wish him well and I'm grateful for the effort he put in this season.
I think also that he's done a pretty good job of not upsetting two sets of fans, both of which contain some people who are easily upset.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"Real shame for the lad. His attitude has been spot on - his chasing back and saving some seemingly lost causes defensively have been among his highlights for me. Hopefully he can still be involved in the 8s. But whatever happens, I wish him well and I'm grateful for the effort he put in this season.
I think also that he's done a pretty good job of not upsetting two sets of fans, both of which contain some people who are easily upset.'"
As you say, for a young lad he's gone about his business impeccably in what can be a tricky situation.
My only worry is that now he's inactive, he's going to slip back into his bad ways and all his hard work fitness wise is going to come undone. I've always struggled with my weight, but am close to losing 5 stone and have taken up running. I know how I feel when I have just a week off any form of exercise and my nightmare would be picking up an injury. Just hope he doesn't let this get him down and he keeps it up because he's doing so well.
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| Quote ="Karen"As you say, for a young lad he's gone about his business impeccably in what can be a tricky situation.
My only worry is that now he's inactive, he's going to slip back into his bad ways and all his hard work fitness wise is going to come undone. I've always struggled with my weight, but am close to losing 5 stone and have taken up running. I know how I feel when I have just a week off any form of exercise and my nightmare would be picking up an injury. Just hope he doesn't let this get him down and he keeps it up because he's doing so well.'"
5 stone - wow! I was/am aiming to lose a stone and a half this year. Progress has been slow.
On Abdul, I read that he got a bit down and had a bit of self-doubt when he was struggling to get in your team last year. I think he should have picked up some confidence again from playing regularly, albeit in the championship. I'd put him our top 5 performers so far this season. Hopefully he'll be encouraged by that (not my endorsement specifically, necessarily) and make good decisions.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"5 stone - wow! I was/am aiming to lose a stone and a half this year. Progress has been slow.
On Abdul, I read that he got a bit down and had a bit of self-doubt when he was struggling to get in your team last year. I think he should have picked up some confidence again from playing regularly, albeit in the championship. I'd put him our top 5 performers so far this season. Hopefully he'll be encouraged by that (not my endorsement specifically, necessarily) and make good decisions.'"
It's taken over 2 years and I've very much slowed down and am more maintaining now. Very happy where I am and it's my fitness I'm concentrating on now rather than worrying what the scales say.
Back to Abdul, confidence is a massive thing with players and I'm sure the confidence he's gained at KR will set him up for the career we all know he's capable of
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| well done Karen top stuff!!!
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| Looks like KR have signed Abdulls replacement so id say hes coming back to us
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| Quote ="Sebasteeno"Looks like KR have signed Abdulls replacement so id say hes coming back to us'"
Hmm. Behind Connor, Sneyd and Kelly?
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| no think he will be loose forward imo
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| Quote ="hull2524"no think he will be loose forward imo'"
No chance. Radford plays a big forward at 13 as an extra middle when he has the players available
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| If we aren't going to play him at LF, I think we might as well get rid, as won't get a game at HB, Connor is a much better player IMO and the long term HB with Sneyd.
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| agree dave, if he comes back its as loose forward
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| Craig Murdock's said on Twitter that Abdull's returning to his parent club (201icon_cool.gif in response to a Rovers fan questioning Ellis and Abdull's attitude in the Middle 8s. Quite surprised tbh.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Craig Murdock's said on Twitter that Abdull's returning to his parent club (201icon_cool.gif in response to a Rovers fan questioning Ellis and Abdull's attitude in the Middle 8s. Quite surprised tbh.'"
Doubt Murdock knows anymore than us.
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| Sheens has said if we go up and can keep Abdul he'll play 13. Either way the lad will get his best wishes from the majority of our fans, he's certainly embraced the club and put in 100%
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| Quote ="barham red"Sheens has said if we go up and can keep Abdul he'll play 13. Either way the lad will get his best wishes from the majority of our fans, he's certainly embraced the club and put in 100%'"
That's a good enough recommendation for me.
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| Abdull back with Hadley plus a new winger amd maybe a prop there won't many more in or back
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| Not sure we need another wing.If i was Griffin i would be working my socks off in pre season to make the right wing spot my own.
Nick Rawsthorne will be pushing for the spot also but given Hulls current style of play Radford will probably go for the bigger stronger Griffin rather than the
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| Quote ="bonaire"Not sure we need another wing.If i was Griffin i would be working my socks off in pre season to make the right wing spot my own.
Nick Rawsthorne will be pushing for the spot also but given Hulls current style of play Radford will probably go for the bigger stronger Griffin rather than the
faster more skillful Rawsthorne'"
If Ellis retires???? Think Griffin could go to second row. Rawsthorne proved his worth and probably secured his future with his 2 game stint and that towering touch line kick. Is he getting games at Liegh?
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| Quote ="Hessle Roader"That's a good enough recommendation for me.'"
I agree, the lad has been very good for us, it's no surprise our performances dipped with his injury.
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| Been joined by Jack Logan for the rest of the season......
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| Quote ="Irregular Hoops"Been joined by Jack Logan for the rest of the season......'"
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| Strange one is Logan. Can only see it ias cover in case Minns doesn't last the season.
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