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| Quote ="Uptoncat"Bloody he'll we got slaughtered 52-0 the other week but no one was calling for jks head! We responded in the right way at hkr and that's what you should be looking for against Bradford. Even if you don't win as long as the performance is improved then that should tell you you're on the right track. This is Agars team now so give him time to prove himself with his players. If it's nit going right ten to fifteen games in then yes you have every right to question him but at least give him a chance!'"
Don`t worry mate,if we win next game Agar will have roses strewn in his path.
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| Quote ="Uptoncat"Bloody he'll we got slaughtered 52-0 the other week but no one was calling for jks head! We responded in the right way at hkr and that's what you should be looking for against Bradford. Even if you don't win as long as the performance is improved then that should tell you you're on the right track. This is Agars team now so give him time to prove himself with his players. If it's nit going right ten to fifteen games in then yes you have every right to question him but at least give him a chance!'"
Fact - Wildcats are not Hull FC and just like Kear will never coach Rhinos he will not coach FC.Kear is at his level at Wildcats and why should you get rid ??
Agar is worse than Kear - FACT and he is still here - what did Kear do wrong at Fc ??
We need a world class coach so the board need to SPEND
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| Kearney wins world cup wirh Bennett as his assistant..........without him they fail miserably in tr-nations.....would go for a more proven coach for next season if Agars either gets the bullet/not renewed
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| Quote ="fc baldy"Kearney wins world cup wirh Bennett as his assistant..........without him they fail miserably in tr-nations.....would go for a more proven coach for next season if Agars either gets the bullet/not renewed'" Spot on Baldy
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| Well uncle dennis knows him well !!!!!!!!!!
For me though, too early still to make any decision, but lose good friday and we'll nail you to the cross
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| Quote ="Uptoncat"Bloody he'll we got slaughtered 52-0 the other week but no one was calling for jks head! We responded in the right way at hkr and that's what you should be looking for against Bradford. Even if you don't win as long as the performance is improved then that should tell you you're on the right track. This is Agars team now so give him time to prove himself with his players. If it's nit going right ten to fifteen games in then yes you have every right to question him but at least give him a chance!'"
Lot of fickle supporters on here matey. Do as i do and skip all the negative ones and just read the positive ones. Otherwise it only gets you down
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| Quote ="Hutchie"Well uncle dennis knows him well !!!!!!!!!!
For me though, too early still to make any decision, but lose good friday and we'll nail you to the cross
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Loose that one and that may well be the nails going into the wood i fear, he has a performance revue at Easter so it could all be about then it happens if anything, however who will be available mid season ?? NO one
so we are left with Dennis for the rest of the season and again it is clear he hasnt yet had this super duper influence we were led to believe he would have!! remember the credentials Sharp came from Oz with and he floundered like a wet fish too
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| Quote ="jeffers#1"Lot of fickle supporters on here matey. Do as i do and skip all the negative ones and just read the positive ones. Otherwise it only gets you down'"
I know what your saying and it can be tedious but I can also see everyones point,
The main issue is as I see it there is absolutely no consistency in performances at all, we are jumping from awesome to mediocre at best week in week out, that isnt the players thats all about the coaching staffs ability to get a team up for every match OR NOT as the case may be, we all expected a loss at Wigan but no one expected to get our ass hung out to dry did we!!
Thats where the coaches are to blame not the players...
Does Agar tell them to go out and make it up as they go along NO!!! his game plan is beginning to look very flawed again
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| Now, I'm not convinced by Agar, and I've made no secret of it on here, but I honestly find this thread OTT. With the start we've had to the season, he's bought time. I didn't see the game on Friday, but the bottom line is that we lost away to the best looking side of the season so far, who were also looking for a response to their first loss. Hardly disastrous stuff that demands swift action.
For me, I'm now waiting for a bad spell, as that's when a good coach proves his worth and when I feel Agar can be judged properly with 'his team' and no more excuses. With the amount of changes we've had in the close season inconsistency is inevitable. Let's wait and see what sort of team we settle down to be every week before making up our minds, not chopping and changing it with every game.
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| Quote ="Tarquin Fuego"[size=150Fact [/size- Wildcats are not Hull FC and just like Kear will never coach Rhinos he will not coach FC.Kear is at his level at Wildcats and why should you get rid ??
Agar is worse than Kear - [size=150FACT[/size and he is still here - what did Kear do wrong at Fc ??
We need a world class coach so the board need to SPEND'"
I thought it was a fact that Kear had already coached Hull
You also mean its your opinion that Agar is worse than Kear.
I cannot believe this threads knee jerk reaction to an away defeat to the top of the league team.
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| Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"
I cannot believe this threads knee jerk reaction .'"
Going to happen every time we lose mate.
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| It's a reaction to a loss to the league leaders with what appeared to be a non existant game plan.
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| Or,there could have been a game plan,but the players just didn`t execute it?
As I wasn`t there,just a thought,thats all.
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| Quote ="World of Redboy"It's a reaction to a loss to the league leaders with what appeared to be a non existant game plan.'"
Perhaps we should sack Long, Horne, Fitzgibbon and Berrigan then. Afterall these are the main playmakers who should be implementing the game plan.
FFS the reaction after the loss at Crusaders wasn't this strong.
We are not the best team in the league, get over it. If we finish 4th or above we will have done extremely well.
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| Quote ="GODS UNDERTAKER"Sharp came from Oz with and he floundered like a wet fish too'" Did he ???
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| Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"Perhaps we should sack Long, Horne, Fitzgibbon and Berrigan then. Afterall these are the main playmakers who should be implementing the game plan.
FFS the reaction after the loss at Crusaders wasn't this strong.
We are not the best team in the league, get over it. [uIf we finish 4th or above we will have done extremely well.[/u'"
Nail on the head...
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| Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"Perhaps we should sack Long, Horne, Fitzgibbon and Berrigan then. Afterall these are the main playmakers who should be implementing the game plan.
[uFFS the reaction after the loss at Crusaders wasn't this strong.[/u
We are not the best team in the league, get over it. If we finish 4th or above we will have done extremely well.'"
I think the Wigan game was disappointing because in the previous games our pack has been pretty dominant. We had full availability in the forwards and were in a game where we could have gone top. The fact that the intensity was, if anything, a step down from previous games was the main disappointment for me. As you say we're not the best team in the league and Wigan are at the moment, but to only just keep them to below 50 and to only get 18 of our 24 points when they'd taken their foot off the gas was very disappointing to the 2000 fans who travelled and most of whom probably had to leave work early/make special arrangements to do so.
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| I think there is some absolute pillocks out there, sack agar after a poor performance at wigan, the same wigan team who are sitting pretty top of the tree, who have just about demolised every challenge put in front of them. And should have beat bradford. Also gone to wire and won not many teams will do that this year. But hey lets sack the coach that has turned us from pretenders to maybe even contenders. Its one game. Get behind the coach the players and see what we do against bradford.
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| I think Agar is an ok coach. Not a bad one, but not a great one. I am not calling for his head, but I am concerned about the renewing of his contract. His recruitment and retention has been spot on. If we end up doing reasonably ok this season, I think it will be a case of the team of players carrying the coach.
I think we need and deserve a top class coach, especially for the young players coming through. To many young players do not seem to fulfil their potential.
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| Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"We are not the best team in the league, get over it. If we finish 4th or above we will have done extremely well.'"
TBH I think we'll do well to finish 6th or above. No shame in that considering where we've come from either.
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| As a fully paid up Agar out supporter, I feel that to say the reaction has been after one defeat to Wigan is a short sighted. My opinion is that the guy is nowhere near the mark coaching wise and I dont wish to see another season go down the tubes.
Yes we have won 4 out of 6, last year we won 5 out of 6 but the same flaws are still there
1) We dont seem to be able to adapt a game plan to counter opposition strengths
2) We tinker with a winning team Tansey-Whiting, Hall-Whiting, Moa-Radford, Turner-Long
3) Tickle and Radford remain unquenchable penalty machines
4) We become over confident prior to the Crusaders game ( did they forget the last 2 seasons so quickly)
5) We get out enthused in a potential table topper (one again have we forgot the last 2 season already)
I dont accept it's the players as they are coached all week by Agar, ok lets forget about the last two seasons if it makes his record look better but we have still been out enthused in 33% of this seasons games and I am not confident that he can change our gameplan once the other coaches have sussed us out and the dry weather negates our pack somewhat.
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| Think its going to be hardest season yet to judge any coaches at least for a quite a few more rounds yet. Should Saints, Leeds, Bradford sack there coaches? They have arguably the same strength of squad as us but below us. At this point I would havent have expected any more points than we have even if the games they came from isnt what I expected. Think we can expect the top 5 spots to change weekly. Going to be a strange season.
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| Quote ="super sub terry day"As a fully paid up Agar out supporter, I feel that to say the reaction has been after one defeat to Wigan is a short sighted. My opinion is that the guy is nowhere near the mark coaching wise and I dont wish to see another season go down the tubes.
Yes we have won 4 out of 6, last year we won 5 out of 6 but the same flaws are still there
1) We dont seem to be able to adapt a game plan to counter opposition strengths
2) We tinker with a winning team Tansey-Whiting, Hall-Whiting, Moa-Radford, Turner-Long
3) Tickle and Radford remain unquenchable penalty machines
4) We become over confident prior to the Crusaders game ( did they forget the last 2 seasons so quickly)
5) We get out enthused in a potential table topper (one again have we forgot the last 2 season already)
I dont accept it's the players as they are coached all week by Agar, ok lets forget about the last two seasons if it makes his record look better but we have still been out enthused in 33% of this seasons games and I am not confident that he can change our gameplan once the other coaches have sussed us out and the dry weather negates our pack somewhat.'"
Tickle seems to have improved in this area this season and his form is spot on
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| I refuse to take sides in this spat as I think its too early to sack anyone.
I would however question the wisdom of one glaring error of judgement and I have seen plenty more in the last two seasons.
I suspect that one Shaun Long is still carrying his hamstring injury, why was he risked?
I am not having a go, but Rich does seem to leave himself open to not only fans, the media and the board to use things like this. Whilst the pressure to play high earning and capable players like Long are great, the need for doing it right has to come first.
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