Quote ="Dave K."Don't think Smith is any better than we have, certainly no better than Brown, who can't get into our 17. Although if it's creates an overseas spot we can use that's good Look at his stats https://www.superleague.co.uk/player/1041/daniel-smith I like Philbin, but losing our best forward for him, I'm not surethis is a great deal, also we are weak in the backrow, so would be stronger at prop and weaker in the backrow.'" Unless we have a SR up our sleeve? Feel indifferent on Dan Smith. He's alright. Feels more like an Evans replacement Does seem like we're trying to free up some overseas spots with all the rumours around

Quote ="Dave K."Don't think Smith is any better than we have, certainly no better than Brown, who can't get into our 17. Although if it's creates an overseas spot we can use that's good Look at his stats https://www.superleague.co.uk/player/1041/daniel-smith I like Philbin, but losing our best forward for him, I'm not surethis is a great deal, also we are weak in the backrow, so would be stronger at prop and weaker in the backrow.'" Unless we have a SR up our sleeve? Feel indifferent on Dan Smith. He's alright. Feels more like an Evans replacement Does seem like we're trying to free up some overseas spots with all the rumours around

I'd swap Smith for Evans certainly, but he doesn't always get into a poor Cas team, don't think he is better than our other props, seems a pointless signing.

Ideally Lovodua and one of Sao/Satae would go to Cas and Warrington, we get Philbin plus an opportunity to sign 2 overseas players, as we are well under cap, depends if Pearaon will put his hand in his pocket.

We need to see what happens to Clifford, as can't go with McNamara and Sutcliffe.

We could look at Rliey Dean on loan

I've always liked Philbin, but as others have said I just can't see it.

If we get like for like players with a better attitude, then that's a start and if they come on lower wages, we can then use that spare cap for an upgrade on some of the dross

People said we wouldn't sign Bevan French...... oh wait!

You wouldn't have thought wire would let Mike cooper join one of their rivals halfway through last season , but they did, these things do happen

I've liked him since we played them at KC maybe 5 years ago and the first carry of the 2nd half he bust through and went about 70 metres up the field. Think we went on to win that game.
He might not be the best prop in the league, but he knows how to run the ball in properly and not take it from a standing start like our forwards.

We also maybe want to free up a quota place as surely its about time for the annual NRL player has been a muppit and needs to come to SL to save his career time. Cant we ask the NRL clubs when they're team nights out and we'll stick some money behind the bars

Just hope Pearson and Smith dont make some of the decisions out of desperation rather then enhancing the squad

Agreed it would be very easy to make a bad situation worse.

I dont think its the size of the pack that is
the problem, its the speed of it.

We've got the laziest and softest pack in the league

Yup, which is why i would fancy a more mobile and faster forward then another pudding.

Think that’s probably why Smith came in as the voice of experience in terms of turning clubs round.
I guess a lot depends on what the discussions have been in terms of recruitment/retention already and the long term plan.

Even though Smith said at the start about clean, slates and even now about players having chsnces to earn deals I’d hazard a guess what he is saying outwardly isn’t necessarily what he is thinking inwardly. He’s not likely to come out and say they are all truly awful and will be gone end of season even if that is the case.

A calm and measured approach is needed but that may need to be tweaked such is the urgency to arrest the slide. Right now Wakey whilst not having a great squad themselves at least show they have some fight in them where as we look bereft of everything.

So we let our stand out forward over the last 2 years go.
We must be nuts.

On his day yes, but that doesn't happen enough, a prop of his quality some be doing more work, defence is poor too, gets beat too easily by quick players.

What’s happened to Satae, I was dominate in 2021 and seemed to be good last year too.

I’d like Wigan to be interested in him instead of Mago who is a pudding.

Chris Satae has been affected/infected by the malaise permeating the club; in a good side it is virtually certain that he would return to his previous form, and as such he would be an excellent signing for a team that can coach, enthuse, and use him properly.

At the moment, Hull FC seemingly can do none of those things; although that is in no way a criticism of Tony Smith, who is having to deal with the mother of all poisoned chalices.

For Satae to be most effective he needs to be running onto the ball, whereas this season (like all of our forwards) he gets the pass flat footed and standing still.

Sure it’s some kind of bizarre “mental muscle memory” thing, but we are back at the pit of the Lee Radford curve, where we have no dummy runners, nobody running angles, and nobody taking the ball up with any kind of intent or aggression. Watching Halifax v Bradford on Viaplay last night, the effort and application from both sets of forwards on a difficult, rainy night highlighted just how disgracefully poor the “efforts” of Hull’s forwards are.

I’m not suggesting those Championship players are better, just that they show desire, hunger, and a willingness to work that shames the Hull FC team at present - not that it appears they have any shame. Or pride. Or professionalism.

Could be nothing...but the club have just updated their Facebook cover photo from a group shot that includes Satae to a shot of the MKM (grabs tin foil hat)

Who else was in the group shot?

Be just about right to swap him for Philbin who has just picked up a 2 game ban.

Messaged Dan from HDM about Philbin. It's a complete non starter for Wire.

It was a nice rumour for the last week, 5 days.

Don't believe everything someone on the Internet tells you

I would have been amazed, why would he leave Warrington to come to Hull, only way we could sign someone of his caliber would be if he wasn't getting gametime, they didn't want him or we offer him a big pay increase.

Going to have to be really smart with recruitment

Taylor, Lane and half a Fash

Nah, we’ll probably do a swap deal for Cooper.

He's still in the squad, but you can fly to Perpignan from LeedsBradford now so maybe we are dropping him off on the way