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| Quote ="Robbo4"
Manu and Tickle are far better back rowers IMO and I'd rather bring in an actual top class 2nd Rower than move Yeamo there TBH. So if he loses his place in the centres to 2 young kids I would get rid and use the salary cap on a better back rower.'"
Im still undecided about Tickle, i see Radders as the better 2nd rower as has been well documented but i also see Yeaman as a better carryer of the ball than both of them. It would be Radfords defensive work that could maybe make him a better back rower than Yeaman.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Im still undecided about Tickle, i see Radders as the better 2nd rower as has been well documented but i also see Yeaman as a better carryer of the ball than both of them. It would be Radfords defensive work that could maybe make him a better back rower than Yeaman.'"
Don't think Yeaman is big enough to play in the pack week in/out, he would need to train to lay second row if he was going to do it on a regular basis.
As for Briscoe, unproven at centre in SL, would like to see him get a shot but like with Hall we will need to be patient. Look at Senior, we started on the wing and then came inside. This is Briscoe's first full season in full time training so I would not want him playing every week right now tbh.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"This is Briscoe's first full season in full time training so I would not want him playing every week right now tbh.'"
Things like that were never said when players like Schofield and Edwards came through. If youre good enough etc ..
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Things like that were never said when players like Schofield and Edwards came through. If youre good enough etc ..'"
Young players need looking after, they need to be protected a little. Not only from physical burnout but also mentally as well. I would not want to risk him in any way and he should not be playing every game tbh.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Young players need looking after, they need to be protected a little. Not only from physical burnout but also mentally as well. I would not want to risk him in any way and he should not be playing every game tbh.'"
being good enough for me means that you are touch enough mentally and physically to adapt.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Yes in SL.
I also saw him play there pre-season v Hudds last year when he made a 60 yard break through the middle of their pack.
I think he looks a class act as a centre as well as a class act on the wing. Guess if we chose to he could be the long term replacement for Raynor as he has a lot of key traits that that position requires, would just love to see him play centre.'"
That's a call nobody can make yet, he has not played centre enough and not showed anything at centre to suggest he will be a class act. The break against Hudds was down the middle so nothing to do with centre play.
He also played against Matt King in the season opener but and did okay but again nothing overly classy.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"being good enough for me means that you are touch enough mentally and physically to adapt.'"
I agree but its his first season at fulltime rugby so we don't know if he is yet. He might need nurturing a little.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"That's a call nobody can make yet, he has not played centre enough and not showed anything at centre to suggest he will be a class act. '"
Ive made the call! FWIW i think he just looks a classy player, you can tell when someone has that x factor ability.
Quote ="PAUL M"I agree but its his first season at fulltime rugby so we don't know if he is yet. He might need nurturing a little.'"
Agree we dont know how he will go, but because we dont know doesnt mean he shouldnt get the opportunity to show himself off.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"I agree but its his first season at fulltime rugby so we don't know if he is yet. He might need nurturing a little.'"
Totally agree 100%
this lad like Hall etc need to get plenty of game time but NOT all the time, they need rest and training paddock work all the time , lets remember these kids are young lads, as for the Schofield and Edwards comment I would say that they were exceptions and wonder how many failed because they were burnt out too early...ala Yeaman playing too many gamess for too long, lets see how he goes having had an off season!!
With Thorman on board he may well get the kind of service Cooke used to get to him when he was scoring for fun!!
Saw an interview with Edwards over Xmas and he said in that interview that his era wouldnt be fit enough to play todays SL!!! that answers that one!!
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Ive made the call!
FWIW i think he just looks a classy player, you can tell when someone has that x factor ability.
Agree we dont know how he will go, but because we dont know doesnt mean he shouldnt get the opportunity to show himself off.'"
I agree he looks the part and I think he will be a top class player, still need to see more of him in the centre though I feel.
He is getting the opportunity but we need to monitor him closely to avoid any type of burnout, he is still learning and will make mistakes as he gets tired physically and mentally.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"I agree he looks the part and I think he will be a top class player, still need to see more of him in the centre though I feel.
He is getting the opportunity but we need to monitor him closely to avoid any type of burnout, he is still learning and will make mistakes as he gets tired physically and mentally.'"
Dont disagree with any of that!
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| Also there is the old chestnut of Maturity to consider, some mature quicker than others and it has been documented at times he can be a bit "chip on both shoulders"
he will do ok, I just doubt our club will have the long term foresight to mature him when the need for sucess is now not in three years if you know what I mean.
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| Quote ="wall-y""chip on both shoulders"
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Briscoe?
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Briscoe?'"
Certainly not, I mean Hall
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| Quote ="wall-y"Certainly not, I mean Hall'"
Ah, we were talking about Briscoe more! (on the hall thread though)
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Ah, we were talking about Briscoe more! (on the hall thread though)
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| Put it this way I would love to hear some news saying we had signed Hall and Briscoe both on 4 year deals. Both potentially top class players who I would like to see us hang onto.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Put it this way I would love to hear some news saying we had signed Hall and Briscoe both on 4 year deals. Both potentially top class players who I would like to see us hang onto.'"
Here here!
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| I keep hearing Hally wants out !!!
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| Quote ="THE BOARD"I keep hearing Hally wants out !!!'"
I thought it was previously the other way around?
Personally, I think that one problem with him is that players in his mould are often all about confidence, and unfortunately quite a bit of his treatment thus far has not been at all conducive to that.
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| Quote ="THE BOARD"I keep hearing Hally wants out !!!'"
Stop chanting it then.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"I thought it was previously the other way around?
Personally, I think that one problem with him is that players in his mould are often all about confidence, and unfortunately quite a bit of his treatment thus far has not been at all conducive to that.'"
We dont really know what treatment he has received though do we and what he has done if anything to deserve it?
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| IMO Hall will be a shining light for us this season.
Despite the Crocker incident, we have to be thankful we have such talent at the club and coming through and all from Hull. We can hold our heads up high and be proud of that fact.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"We dont really know what treatment he has received though do we and what he has done if anything to deserve it?'"
We don't know the full picture, no, but certain things should just not have happened IMO. P Sharp should not have reacted the way he did after the Harlequins game (he may not have been pinning the entire result on Hall, but he still should have picked his words much more carefully about a teenager's first SL game), dropping him and not others when he's arguably our most potent attacking player in a faltering attacking team sends him a strange message, and just the general comments that don't seem to be fully thought out at times seem to paint him as a second class member of the squad IMO. The latest being Agar's words that none of the first team 3/4's will be risked against Dewsbury, when Hall is down to play.
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