Drug dealing?
Can you post a link to that conviction for me please?

Seems libelous to me.

Some cracking double standards, particularity on the secret forum, championing the signing of Carney, whilst still have digs at Kelly. Lost the moral high ground on that one now.

Also making out like Sheens is some kind of magician who can fix all these players, so far in the English game, Sheens hasn't proved anything yet, he has built a squad with cap 2/3 times everyone else, big test will come in the middle 8's, to see how good the "Wizard" is.

Wasn't Carney at Salford when Sheen was? Didnt seem to have that much of an effect then!

That doesn't count.

Strange how much Salford have improved this year with basically the same squad.

Circling back roughly towards the original topic of this thread it shows how important it is for Hull to get recruitment and retention right because Salford are showing that they are serious in making their move from an undisciplined rabble into proper contenders. By shipping out both Carney's they have purged themselves of expensive tool heads and don't seem to have any seriously disruptive players left in their squad.

As for Carney, a perfect fit for the dobbins. Scum bag, on the decline, poor disciplinary record and won't be too cheap - what more do you want? The best bit is he has 5 free weeks to introduce himself to his new team mates WAGs.

Pleased to hear Mini and Washbrook will likely get new contracts.

If Talanoa is getting a new contract I wouldn't keep Michaels, while he is reliable he hasn't been first choice winger with a fully fit squad and would prefer to see Naughton or Rawsthorne given a chance instead.

Michaels was first choice winger all last season lest you forget. Personally I'd have him over talanoa every week. He might not have the brute strength but in other areas he's hugely better than FT, that being defensively.

People keep saying we can free up a quota spot by releasing Michaels, yes that's true, but for whom, a big name Australian/NZ NRL star to replace Ellis, I don't think so. A big name star to play on the wing or in the centres, nope, in the halves maybe, not there either, what about in the backrowers, nope, we have mini there as our big earner and from the way pearson and Radford were talking a few weeks back I don't think we'll be signing a marquee player.
But why MUST we free up a quota spot for next season when of the two players SM is massively more valuable to us than FT? I agree that we need to be looking long term to bring players through and it's a bloody shame we lost Lancaster as the kid was scoring tries for fun when he got his chance but others hopefully can come through in the same way Minikin at Cas has. in the meantime SM gets a wing spot for me with the aim to bring in a younger player and we release FT.

Came into the side when Fonua got injured, then Carols was moved to halves, Logan ws injured which meant Fonua was moved to Centre freeing up the wing spot, fully fit side i don't think he would be first choice other wise he would have been given nummber 2 or 5 by now

Michael's has been poor today and fonda a massive miss

Jane or Henry?

You must have inspired him to have one of his less effective games, along with the other 16.

Could it be a year too far next year for some of the older players?
Just have a feeling we need an injection of fresh legs in the forwards

Only minichello over 30 in that pack. We need some impact off the bench

Was going to say the same, although I think Washy is over 30. But the point remains it was the energy in players we had out there that let us down. I suspect with Washy resigning and Turgut coming through that Thompson may be released, and some of Mahe's money used for an impact forward. Would have loved Fifita, exactly what we're lacking.

apart from Bowden who wasn't to bad our bench today was very poor, washy is good cover for Houghton but hes never gonna change a game from the bench, Thompson just runs across the pitch most of the time, fash and turgut are still young, hopefully get Hadley back next year, if we still have injuries in the next few matches maybe give rawsthorne a go on the wing? young big and quick,

Never mind your bench, your starring props for absolutely schooled today. Walmsley best prop, Toby showing why he will always be picked above houghton for England.

I'm sure you will have more good days then bad though.

See this is better, instead of Rovers fans coming on here just looking for bites, try and have some discussion about rugby, thankfully the England team is usually picked on more than one performance that's why Roby doesn't get picked anymore and the likes of Clarke and Hodgson play, he was excellent yesterday though, but that's mainly because of the forwards being on top and getting a quick play of the ball. Walmsley is great though, totally outplayed our props, who along with most others were poor.

So much on the decline that he stands second in the average metres made per match table in SL.

That pack that was destroyed by St Helens? Age did not come into it. I guess their pack had an average age higher than FC's. It was not only the bench that lacked impact. You have a top class front row. Don't know where they were yesterday.

Need 2 forwards to replace Ellis and Thompson, Wardle and a Moors type player would be ideal.

And a winger/centre to replace Fonua.

Not sure if that is possible with our cap and the returning loan players though.

Need a winger now, who is available

Briscoe - out of form and injury prone
Mcgillvary- would cost a fee
BJB - big contract offer from Wakey
Evalds- good player, but he a Radford winger
Sio - not sure if he come back to SL
kevin naiqama - out of contract, a bit like Fonua who would do well in SL.

Anyone else?

Sign Inu and move Griffin to the wing?

Also Inu, nearly signed him before, very good player, but a bit injury prone.

Beat me too it, my centres would be Connor and Carlos, Inu on one wing and Talanoa or Griffin on the other.

Back ups Logan, Naughton and Rawsthorne