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| Quote ="Sexual Deviant"Having considered the aforementioned, i know a lot of you have shouted down MUH, but he's right when he says an awful lot of you need to be in posession of valid facts instead of letting your obvious anti-football bile cloud your judgement.
Let's say for argument's sake, we got the game at the KC, and it's England versus Australia. England turn up, all bullish and bristling with intent, Australia turn up quietly, looking a bit half-ar$ed. By half time Australia are 30-40 points to the good, a capacity crowd are more than a tad cheesed off, and vow never to waste an evening in such a way again.
The simple fact of the matter is RL fills the KC once, maybe twice a year. Football is filling it twice a month. This immediately blows the 'blow to the local economy' argument clean out the water.
One way to demonstrate to the SMC (not Duffen, the SMC) that RL can be a commercially viable activity is to fill the ground this Friday. Will it happen? I think we know the answer.'"
Fair enough but will it be doing so in October/November 2009 and will the SMC be strapped for cash?
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| Quote ="kathy kirk"'"
Was it full tonight ????
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| Quote ="Chris28"Fair enough but will it be doing so in October/November 2009 and will the SMC be strapped for cash?'"
None of us know the answer to those questions. I suppose a lot depends on whether City stay up or not.
Although sporting events make up a huge slice of stadium revenue, other means of income (conferences etc.) keeps the pot boiling, so to speak.
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| Quote ="kathy kirk"Was it full tonight ????'"
About 200 short of the maximum allowed capacity.
Your point being?
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| The stating dates for the 4 nations is the weekend of 24/25 October through to 14th Nov.
That counts out any conflict with Hull Fair week, so WHY couldn't Duffen agree on a date if it's not football related.
Bonfire Night is on a Thursday (Safe)................. but it could be Halloween as that is on a Saturday, Duffen must be having a Halloween fancy dress party and he's already sent the invitations.
Why didn't he say so.........we'd have understood.
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| Quote ="Sexual Deviant"About 200 short of the maximum allowed capacity.
Your point being?'"
My point being I dont know - alright - I watched on Setanta and they said 21000 but I bow to you mate - was not looking for a fight
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| Quote ="kathy kirk"My point being I dont know - alright - I watched on Setanta and they said 21000 but I bow to you mate - was not looking for a fight'"
That's alright chuck. I'm a lover* not a fighter!
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| To not go to a Rugby league town like Hull, with a perfect stadium that's just the right size for an international, its just f***ing crazy!
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| Quote ="Sexual Deviant"Having considered the aforementioned, i know a lot of you have shouted down MUH, but he's right when he says an awful lot of you need to be in posession of valid facts instead of letting your obvious anti-football bile cloud your judgement.
Let's say for argument's sake, we got the game at the KC, and it's England versus Australia. England turn up, all bullish and bristling with intent, Australia turn up quietly, looking a bit half-ar$ed. By half time Australia are 30-40 points to the good, a capacity crowd are more than a tad cheesed off, and vow never to waste an evening in such a way again.
The simple fact of the matter is RL fills the KC once, maybe twice a year. Football is filling it twice a month. This immediately blows the 'blow to the local economy' argument clean out the water.
One way to demonstrate to the SMC (not Duffen, the SMC) that RL can be a commercially viable activity is to fill the ground this Friday. Will it happen? I think we know the answer.'"
It's not about how often RL fills the KC, it's about having the KC available for an International game that will attract a capacity crowd of RL followers in this area and from the rest of the RL community across the M62 corridor.
It's about having the KC available to the rest of the sporting community, not just Football. It's about the Chairman of Hull City AFC holding the head position of the SMC and not being 'available for comment' to explain his decision.
You had a crowd tonight of 24750, according to Radio Humberside there was a following of approx 2000 from Spurs, so you were 22750.
If the SL fixtures were so planned that both Hull teams played at home on the same weekends we would collectively attract crouds of approx 23000 as we did for our opening home games, pretty even don't you think?
So where is your arguement that you are 'bigger' ?
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| Quote ="Sexual Deviant"That's alright chuck. I'm a lover* not a fighter!
*[size=75obvious tap-in.[/size'"
Yes but the point is its a community Stadium and as such provided for the community. One of the main reasons given to the Government when permission was sought by the City Council to build it was that it would 'Offer the opportunity for people in the sub region to attend and experience top quality International events in a local venue'.
This is not for most at least an arguement about Soccer v Rugby, I like many other FC die hards was cheering on City in the pub last night. However this action does seem to go against this orginal objective of the Stadium and the fact that the SMc have refused twice to make a statement about why the game was refused does tend to get up folks noses a bit!
The big mistake that was made by the Council, and they were warned at the time, was when they appointed Adam Pearson's who was already the Chiarman of Hull City, as the head of the consortium set up to run the venue.
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| Do we really need to get into the 'city v FC' bollox again?
We havent got a test match here, so what!
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| Course we do Dave it should be here end of.
It isnt so we post in this thread to voice our anger. You dont have to read it dave do you ??
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| Quote ="Coach"Course we do Dave it should be here end of.
It isnt so we post in this thread to voice our anger. You dont have to read it dave do you ??'"
Then talk about the merits of having a test match, not slagging between FC and City, its very boring now.
Voice your anger all you want, the decision wont be changed and we havent got a test match. Ive got better things to do with my time! (apparently im at work!!)
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| I think where all meant to be working Dave its just that if people didnt make stupid decisions we'd never have anything to talk about on here anyway and all our work would be up to date
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| Quote ="Sexual Deviant"Having considered the aforementioned, i know a lot of you have shouted down MUH, but he's right when he says an awful lot of you need to be in posession of valid facts instead of letting your obvious anti-football bile cloud your judgement.
Let's say for argument's sake, we got the game at the KC, and it's England versus Australia. England turn up, all bullish and bristling with intent, Australia turn up quietly, looking a bit half-ar$ed. By half time Australia are 30-40 points to the good, a capacity crowd are more than a tad cheesed off, and vow never to waste an evening in such a way again.
The simple fact of the matter is RL fills the KC once, maybe twice a year. Football is filling it twice a month. This immediately blows the 'blow to the local economy' argument clean out the water.
One way to demonstrate to the SMC (not Duffen, the SMC) that RL can be a commercially viable activity is to fill the ground this Friday. Will it happen? I think we know the answer.'" Ask yourself this question......"I wonder what would be the 'state of play' if there were two soccer teams and only one RL team in the city"? Then sit back and think about it.
Answer.........You will probably realise that there are just as many rugby fans as there are soccer. OK, Hull FC only have an average of around 13,000 supporters and then theres a few thousand more that turn up for the 'bigger' games. So.....unless you choose to bury the fact that Hull City have a mostly 'fickle glory seeking following' (YES.....ITS TRUE) that have jumped on the premiership bandwagon, you will remember the days when BOTH Hull and Rovers had bigger and louder crowds than City could only dream of! Most 'new Tigers fans' will no doubt be getting mummy to wash their Liverpool. Newcastle and Man U shirts.....'just in case'!!!!
This City has always been a Rugby League nest.......and this fact should be respected by the 'fly-by-nights' that come and go while in charge of the lesser loved club!
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| Quote ="Sexual Deviant"Having considered the aforementioned, i know a lot of you have shouted down MUH, but he's right when he says an awful lot of you need to be in posession of valid facts instead of letting your obvious anti-football bile cloud your judgement.
Let's say for argument's sake, we got the game at the KC, and it's England versus Australia. England turn up, all bullish and bristling with intent, Australia turn up quietly, looking a bit half-ar$ed. By half time Australia are 30-40 points to the good, a capacity crowd are more than a tad cheesed off, and vow never to waste an evening in such a way again.
The simple fact of the matter is RL fills the KC once, maybe twice a year. Football is filling it twice a month. This immediately blows the 'blow to the local economy' argument clean out the water.
One way to demonstrate to the SMC (not Duffen, the SMC) that RL can be a commercially viable activity is to fill the ground this Friday. Will it happen? I think we know the answer.'"
you mean bandwagon jumpers
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| I think Mr Duffen spat his dummy out over the RL international because he'd just been skanked by Fulham for £5m and then been told the player wasn't insured because it had happened before and was therefore a pre existing condition.
Doubt his mood will have improved after watching his team lose to the team he'd rather be chairman of.
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| Quote ="Zaphod"I think Mr Duffen spat his dummy out over the RL international because he'd just been skanked by Fulham for £5m and then been told the player wasn't insured because it had happened before and was therefore a pre existing condition.
Doubt his mood will have improved after watching his team lose to the team he'd rather be chairman of.'"
Think you maybe right..we won't have this problem next season when they are back in the championship
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| Can't for the life of me see why people think this is a Hull City thing. Every other stadium booked for the tournement has either a football or RU team playing during a winter season.
Speaking of the venues though, the RFL really do think small time. Aus vs NZ at the Stoop? Last time they played in London they got a bigger crowd than the capacity of the Stoop. Donny, Wigan and Hudds? I must have imagined the game at the COM which attracted 39k not so long back, and the fact that they sold out Elland Road before. The RFL are too obsessed with getting a full stadium for internationals. Why not hold the England games against NZ and Aus at Anfield and Elland Road with the final at the COM? If they don't sell out, so what. They will get bigger crowds than the venues they are hosted at now. The France game is never going to get a big crowd up north, for me it has expansion written all over it. Could at played it in Nottingham, Leicester or Birmingham to test the water there.
Also think think they should have had the NZ vs Aus game at Craven Cottage. Decent size crowd and will acommidate the crowd quite well.
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| Quote ="Sexual Deviant"None of us know the answer to those questions. I suppose a lot depends on whether City stay up or not.
Although sporting events make up a huge slice of stadium revenue, other means of income (conferences etc.) keeps the pot boiling, so to speak.'"
Exactly the point I was trying for. If City go down, might the council bosses, and the council tax payers of KuH, be a bit miffed that the managers of the stadium appear to have turned down an opportunity to bring in some additional revenue to the SMC/city economy when one of the main revenue bringers suffers a decrease in income?
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| Quote ="The Key"Can't for the life of me see why people think this is a Hull City thing. '"
its easy to blame them isnt it.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"its easy to blame them isnt it.'" I tell you what....I almost let out a small wee when the final whistle blew last night......Just the thought of Duffen and co whincing at the prospect of a relegation battle made me feel glad all over
OK.....Sad I know.....but I just can't help the way I feel. We are being ruled by wannabe world beaters.....and it sucks! If it means that Hull City have to go down for us to host a major international.......So be it
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| just been on radio Mr Duffen as said that the RFL would not wait till the Football fixtures where out I REST MY CASE.
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| Quote ="Chez_FC_Fan"just been on radio Mr Duffen as said that the RFL would not wait till the Football fixtures where out I REST MY CASE.
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If this is true then it is very shortsighted by Mr Duffen.
OUR community stadium had the opportunity to host a top RL game (we would have got the England V NZ game apparently). The current world champions in our city...what an honour and another big crowd.
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