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| The abuse Connor gets is laughable, I've seen things like dirty grub and not a good role model. Most SL clubs have or recently had players who were dirtier or bad role models.
I think he needs to reign it in slightly as he is becoming a target for refs, his last two sinbinnings were hash and had it been another player I'd doubt they would have been binned.
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| At least Connor will still be plying his trade in Super League for a good few years yet, unlike Barba.
Great talent and glad he's in the black and white. Liked him at Giants and was amazed we managed to get him signed. All the haters would love him lining up in their team.
As for Kelly's behaviour, is Cockayne still employed at the Dobbins?
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Wow. Some top quality casual misogyny there. He irks you, doesn't he?'"
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Wow. Some top quality casual misogyny there. He irks you, doesn't he?'"
Just to note that Jake Connor presumably self-identifies as somewhere on the masculine side of the gender spectrum.
I don’t mind him. Then again, I never saw why people got wound up by Kirk Yeaman - good player, good servant to Hull, pretty inoffensive seeming fella all round.
Connor has a lot of talent, and I think his role as a provocateur has been blown out of proportion a little. I hope for his sake that he keeps it well calibrated and he doesn’t get stuck with a reputation he doesn’t deserve. I thought his sin binning was the harshest of all those in your game with fev - shove and moonwalk shouldn’t be a yellow, least of all when Taulapapa smashed your fullback so early, the video ref offering advice was likely a diplodocus.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"Just to note that Jake Connor presumably self-identifies as somewhere on the masculine side of the gender spectrum.'"
How is that relevant? See below from the website "Everyday feminism". i don't know whether Connor is vegan but he's obviously comfortable with deep conversation, on a minute to minute basis.
Emasculation of the Bitch
A man who shows emotion. A man who is empathetic, sympathetic, or comfortable with deep conversation. A man who is pacifist. A male vegetarian. A man who loses a bet or athletic competition. “Bitch” is considered rock bottom identity for traditional masculinity based on the dominance, strength, and virility of cisgender, heterosexual men. Any deviance from these stereotypes of masculinity could incur a bitch status, which insinuates (so very, very harmfully and wrongfully) homosexuality, transsexuality, asexuality, or a gentle and passive personality — to name a few.
This is no coincidence. It is the exact inverse of its use regarding masculine-identified females.
If a woman calls herself a badass bitch, it is understood to be a gender-deviant association to strong femininity; if a man is called a bitch, it is understood as a gender-deviant as weak masculinity. If you combine those two definitions, the message is that the strongest possible female is weaker than or equal to the weakest possible man.
That is why calling a man a bitch displays internalized sexism.
It traps both men and women into rigid gender roles that simply can’t be realistically fulfilling for every human in our culture, and it traps any outliers in the caste of the outcasts.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"How is that relevant? See below from the website "Everyday feminism". i don't know whether Connor is vegan but he's obviously comfortable with deep conversation, on a minute to minute basis.
Emasculation of the Bitch
A man who shows emotion. A man who is empathetic, sympathetic, or comfortable with deep conversation. A man who is pacifist. A male vegetarian. A man who loses a bet or athletic competition. “Bitch” is considered rock bottom identity for traditional masculinity based on the dominance, strength, and virility of cisgender, heterosexual men. Any deviance from these stereotypes of masculinity could incur a bitch status, which insinuates (so very, very harmfully and wrongfully) homosexuality, transsexuality, asexuality, or a gentle and passive personality — to name a few.
This is no coincidence. It is the exact inverse of its use regarding masculine-identified females.
If a woman calls herself a badass bitch, it is understood to be a gender-deviant association to strong femininity; if a man is called a bitch, it is understood as a gender-deviant as weak masculinity. If you combine those two definitions, the message is that the strongest possible female is weaker than or equal to the weakest possible man.
That is why calling a man a bitch displays internalized sexism.
It traps both men and women into rigid gender roles that simply can’t be realistically fulfilling for every human in our culture, and it traps any outliers in the caste of the outcasts.'"
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"How is that relevant? See below from the website "Everyday feminism". i don't know whether Connor is vegan but he's obviously comfortable with deep conversation, on a minute to minute basis.
Emasculation of the Bitch
Snip.'"
Even if we accept all of that (some elements rang truer than others for me), then it’s still not misogyny by any definition I’m aware of.
Obviously men can be the victims of sexism, just as white people can experience racism. But men can’t directly be the victims of misogyny. It’d be misandry, which I suspect is a word currently being used excessively and largely inappropriately in other much scarier corners of the internet by angry and self-pitying misogynists. In this context, I agree that emasculation is the most accurate description. But ‘emasculator’ (or even effeminator) doesn’t currently have much sting to it.
Ironically and unfairly based on our (sexist) cultural norms, you defending Connor from emasculation, arguably emasculates him. Like that time my mum beat up Barrington Fishface for bullying me.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"Even if we accept all of that (some elements rang truer than others for me), then it’s still not misogyny by any definition I’m aware of.
Obviously men can be the victims of sexism, just as white people can experience racism. But men can’t directly be the victims of misogyny. It’d be misandry, which I suspect is a word currently being used excessively and largely inappropriately in other much scarier corners of the internet by angry and self-pitying misogynists. In this context, I agree that emasculation is the most accurate description. But ‘emasculator’ (or even effeminator) doesn’t currently have much sting to it.
Ironically and unfairly based on our (sexist) cultural norms, you defending Connor from emasculation, arguably emasculates him. Like that time my mum beat up Barrington Fishface for bullying me.'"
I'm learning lots of new words today, which is good. For clarity I don't think Connor needs defending as he seems very comfortable both in his own skin and under that of others, particularly Frankie and Bobness who struggle to come to terms with his subtle antagonism and prefer Danny Tickle's more direct approach.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"I'm learning lots of new words today, which is good. For clarity I don't think Connor needs defending as he seems very comfortable both in his own skin and under that of others, particularly Frankie and Bobness who struggle to come to terms with his subtle antagonism and prefer Danny Tickle's more direct approach.'"
I don't mind admitting hating Connor and not just because of who he plays for it's probably more to do with the fact having to deal with grubs like him in my 20 years playing rugby I've lost count of the times I've been sent off reacting to there antics which I suppose is what they intended
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"I don't mind admitting hating Connor and not just because of who he plays for it's probably more to do with the fact having to deal with grubs like him in my 20 years playing rugby I've lost count of the times I've been sent off reacting to there antics which I suppose is what they intended'"
You hate him, have you ever met him, if not that's a very strong word for someone you have never met and based on his on the field antics, which are noting more than winding people up?
There are much worst players who have done much worst things on and off the field, I don't hate any of them.
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"I don't mind admitting hating Connor and not just because of who he plays for it's probably more to do with the fact having to deal with grubs like him in my 20 years playing rugby I've lost count of the times I've been sent off reacting to there antics which I suppose is what they intended'"
He's not a gouger or biter, doesn't go for the cheap late shot nor is he a thug. He's talented, quick-witted and a wind up merchant. Not worthy of actual hatred, surely?
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| Ok I don't like him don't want to offend anyone in these delicate times
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"Ok I don't like him don't want to offend anyone in these delicate times'"
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| CHubby Brown as our new Mod
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That says more about your inability to walk away than the players doing the winding up
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| Quote ="Karen"That says more about your inability to walk away than the players doing the winding up'"
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| What I like about the Connor knockers is none of them heard him say any thing , just going by some journo/commentators opinion who's there to make a story up.
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| Brought some much-needed skill to today's proceedings. Surprised he didn't make the MoM shortlist.
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| Matthew Shaw from League Express tweeted:
Jake Connor. Absolutely phenomenal. Has to go to Denver for me. The most in-form Englishman in the sport right now.
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| As good as it would be for Jake, I'm crossing my fingers he doesn't get selected. And I honestly don't think he will anyway. But in our current player crisis we don't want any of them (Taylor) having to fly out to America and have it impact their performance for us.
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| you gotta love our jakey
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| Future international this guy, has the cheek and the swagger but has the skills to back it up
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| Watkins is out for the season (ACL), who would be next for England ? They will probably play Bateman and Percival
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| A couple of good games against gash opposition and suddenly he's Jamie Lyon , deary me .
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| Quote ="Rupert Slazenger"A couple of good games against gash opposition and suddenly he's Jamie Lyon , deary me .'"
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