Yer good point I mean if we'd won both games that we lost nobody would be moaning about losing would we. Not a single Leeds fan would tolerate Agar as their coach so don't come on here and try and make out the guys a good coach.

Have you seen our backs? Not a top 4 quality back line IMO, although there are some exceptions in there. We're still struggling with our halves as well.

As soon as Hally went off it screwed us up. The whole weeks training and planning, with not even our 1st choice FB, went to pot. Can't blame Agar for that. If Hall played the whole match, we saw his true plans and coaching, and we lost, then there may be a point about Agar.

One point of 4th place, huge improvement on last season, just not quite there yet. Once this game loss, somehow, settles down, we will all see that.

No disrespect Kosh but it was Agar and FC who gave a player who was clearly knackered a nice big 2 year deal when his then current club were only willing to give him 1 year due to the risk.
You put that along side a player who due to health reasons looks a shadow of his former self and it doesn't take Bamber Gascoigne to work out that problems may well arrive.

Lost Radders after 10 mins last week that wouldn't have been in the game plan but we played with more passion, skill and determination with 12 men than we showed with 13 today ...a poor performance all round

I dont buy the Hall excuse for one minute, yes it was unfortunate but surely thats what coaching a rugby club is all about ?
Either way, my view is based on the whole of his tenancy and not just today although it went some way of personifying the former.

With our recruitment I expected much more, although going into a season with one proper winger proved to be his most glaring error in my view. That said young Reece showed a few good glimpses today.

Full Back is more of a pivotal role then a forward.

Its not an excuse! The better team won on the day! I'm saying it wasn't a true indication of Agar's coaching because his game plan wasn't truly shown!

Fair point but as i said is that not what coaching is all about ?

We had few if any options except to go with Long, and none of the injuries he's been out with could have been 'predicted'. When fit he's looked far from 'knackered'.

Horne is on contract. I fully expect us to be looking for other options when that contract ends. Replacing one half back at a time is hard enough - we'd have had no chance of replacing both in one closed season.

Too much work needed doing for one season's recruitment and retention to fix.

It may have been an improvement on the last two years - it couldn't really have been much worse - but 7th means it has ultimately been a disappointing season.

Two derby wins and the double over Saints were great but some shocking performances and defeats by Salford, Crusaders, Wakefield and Harlequins cost us big time.

I'm still far from convinced by Richard Agar and I believe we as a big club should be aiming higher.

I actually predicted we'd finish in 7th place, so not too disappointed overall.

One thing that clearly hasn't been good enough though is our attack. We need to learn how to score points.

The point was that we couldn't see Agar's game plan to the full tonight, so do not call him a bad coach because of an injury which messed up his game plan!

Has improved our position but thats about it.....he is too rigid in his rotation and cant seem to get the best out of players........cant see him taking us to the next level.

Your easily pleased then.........should have been higher with the "experienced" personel we have.

Whatever.

What worries me is half-backs longy now 34 and horney looks knackered . When they get injured which will happen a lot again I'm guessing who goes in washy who is a never a half back in a million years but not having a go at washy still think he could do a good job at 2nd row

You haven't been good in attack since 2004 and sean mcrae's last season.

That hull team of 2004 is the best i can remember in the modern era, because of the way you played. Since then it's been scrappy.

You made the grand finl in 06 but there was some real dour play in there on the way and then you tailed off after 2006.

You have to judeg this season in context thbough, and it's been a huge improvement on the last 2 seasons.

We should be comparing ourselves to are those spending the same amount on their squads. Wigan, Saints, Warrington, Leeds.

We are light years behind in terms of attack.

Agar is not a top coach, never has been a top coach and never will be a top coach.

Ok ill rephrase it not knackered but 'busted' as the aussies put it, e.g stiil got it in him but I imagine everyone expected he would miss parts of the season and although yes they are new injuries can anyone tell me they thought he would go the full season without missing at least half a dozen league games?
My point is that yes getting Long was a good idea but giving him 2 years was a mistake.
1 year and a contracted coaching job afterwards may have been the way to go with him.
I can see him playing even less next year can't you (well I can't see in the future but you know what I mean).
Its a shame that Horne seems to have 'gone' I wonder if it is his diabetes or the amount of rugby he played when he was younger that is doing for him now?

I am not calling him a bad coach for today's performance although we have seen it many times b4, I am calling him a bad coach based on his coaching over the last two and a half seasons.

It doesn't matter what people thought - Long's injuries could have happened to anyone.

If we hadn't given Long 2 years, who would we have at 7 for next season? Bear in mind we have no overseas places available.

Yet another very good reasoned response.......

Whatever.