im still praying agar wont be here

Manu has been wasted this season , Agar should have played him a lot wider than he has been . His performance against Quins proved just that.

Manu needs a good S/H to put him through the gaps wide out....last time this happend was when we had Matty Head,so hopefully Long will do the biz in this score and Hall will benefit as well as Manu will attract the defenders and hall can come steaming through.

NO NO AND NO...........You just want to get Hall out of the team dont you.

I really don't. The point of this was that we have much better quality in the back 3 next year with Washy available, Fitz here and Agar talking up Lauaki as a 2nd row option, plus already have Tickle, Radford and Burnett's coming through. Manu is a must though and looks dangerous out wide. Many on here think that Briscoe will play wing next year, that leaves us with Hall and Yeaman, so on that basis I'd say we have more options in the back row than centre. Not ridiculous to suggest a wide-running 2nd rower might be worth a go in the centres.

The whole squad need a decent set of halves to play on the back of, we're half way there next season. (what happens when Long is injured, I have no idea)

I don't see the point, Manu is more effective in stints, as a centre he'd be expected to play the full 80 and i think this season has shown that he does not do as well when he is made to play the 80, just my opinion

in all fairness, widders at cas is alot slower than manu and seems to do at least a job of being a centre, manu would be far more effective imho

Manu is very much an impact player, that has been one of the biggest concerns I have had since Agar took charge, we don't seem (well, we means he obviously) able to change our game plan or persaonnel to suit the opposition.

And a good one. It would compromise the bench selection and rotation.

according to someone on here apparantley we put berrigan or tansey there.

As cover they are as good as we have from an options point of view. Damn site better than if we put Horne or Washy to 7. Tansey would be my preference for cover at 7 as thats where he has played most ofhis junior rugby at leeds and has proven already for us that he has flair.

We dont need to carry a reserve 7 imo, waste of cap space.

Absolutely. Starting Manu and using him for 80 mins is an absolute waste. Impact 2nd row at any other club and for any other coach.

another playmaking halfback signing is a must.

No it's not, tansey is back up 7 and washy is back up 6. You tell me who would come to Hull as a back up half only that is better than them 2 in those positions? Jamie Rooney??? Pfffft.

whos back up 1? hall? 17 year old briscoe for a lenght of time?

Whiting! Simples.

he'll never make a super league full back and should be trained and conditioned to play a position he can make it in, back row.

who said anything about a back up?

We need someone who can play alongside Long doing a similar job and also good enough if/when Long is not in the team.

Who else in the squad at present can get the team around the park? No one, which is why weve been in the same predicament the past 3 seasons. The way the game is played and structured nowadays has very little skill apart from halfback play which is where its needed, its all about pace and power.

Im talking back up, as I thought you were. Not full time. He is our utility player you know.

Could you not say the same if he played in the centre though, accept creating space for his winger? He'd most certainly draw the attention of his opposite centre and most likely draw in their winger to help make the tackle. If he can do that and pop the ball out to the winger, we'd skin teams fairly regularly. Plus he'll find it easier to go through the smaller backs than he will the forwards.

I don't think there's any harm in experimenting. Especially considering our strength in the second row and our weakness in the centres.

As already been mentioned, playing in the centres would mean he played for the full 80. He needs a break somewhere throughout the game. I wouldn't really say were weak in the centres I am more than happy with Hall and Yeaman.

If you think there is very little skill in the game you must not watch many other sports. I think you're generalising cognitive skill as skill overall. Most pro-RL players have the physical skills to do what half-backs can do (i.e. run, step, deceive, pass, etc.) but lack the decision-making ability to be able to do it when it matters most (or to pick out the right skill at all in time).

Tends to be why you find most failed half-backs end up playing as a hooker (a role that has a similar skill-set, but requires far less decisions to be made in a longer period of time to make them).

He wouldn't get as much ball playing in the centres, so he wouldn't go through as much work. He'd be a constant threat with his presence on the field, with or without the ball.

Vainikolo wasn't spelled. He could have played prop.

I know what you're saying, but would just keep him where he is. Hall is fine in the centres for me.