Do you honestly think that fatigue isn't a factor in giving away penalties? To copy your favourite saying, 'get a grip'!

I admire your unabashed determination to remain positive in spite of all evidence to the contrary, but we've just been outclassed for the second successive game by our biggest rivals, most fans can't see much to be positive about.

On todays showing alone,Wigan,Saints ,Crusaders ,Rovers ,Leeds,Huddersfield and Cas looked better so looking on the bright side you could be right.

Thought Bradford looked good for a team that's made wholesale changes.

problem is, if you are a decent no6, earning good money at another SL/NRL club, why would you want to come and join the car crash at HullFC?

we aren't the club that attracted the current SOO stars Berrigan and Crocker just 2-3 years ago. Back then the club could produce videos of cup finals and grand finals and show players/agents what a progressive top club we where. Joining a mid-table at best club who are heading nowhere fast doesn't have the same appeal.

Bloody hell, calm down Matt, 2 positives! I'm not suggesting we be happy, in fact I'm gutted. But it is so easy to pick out the negatives, when in fact it's the positives which we can take from the game and develop. It's plain to see where it went wrong today.

Not for Fitzgibbon, no. He has too much experience to allow fatigue to get the better of his discipline IMO.

Today ? Its being like that for couple of seasons , I want us to be a top team and we're miles behind . I don't why we should be happy with 6th or 7th position its very much the cullen situation with Wire

Sorry,forgot about them,o.k .9th it is.

Who doesn't want us to be a top team? Our discipline was our main problem today, followed by poor defence. Our main problems last season was not been able to score once in their 20, which we showed we can do today.

So one of three things appears to have been sorted out. At this rate, we'll have a good season in 2014.

So you the current squad and management we can be a top team ?

Can't agree with that at all, fatigue is fatigue regardless of experience. Especially when you're a 33 year old forward in your final season being flogged remorselessly by the coach.

If we are still losing week after week come 6-10 games in the season, I might change my mind on Agar. In the time being, I'd rather try and pick out the positives rather then bleat on about him. It's boring IMO and I'd rather discuss the team's performance.

We are discussing the teams performance, you'd just rather pick out small positives from a sea of overwhelming negatives.

Seriously mate, if we lost our SL licence you'd be on here buzzing about all the national league grounds you were gonna get to visit.

He started to give away penalties in the first half, so it was hardly being 'flogged'. You not agreeing with me won't change that.

Once Phelps is at FB, Horney is back in the halves and ideally some more cover in the halves/hooker, then yes I do.

Thats on the basis that it took a year to sort one, whereas is took 08/09/10, so 2020.

Should you not be commenting on the other 'official FC' thread then?

I'm off!

So props don't need spelling in the first half, least of all the old ones. Must remember that.

think thats all that needs to be said

New season

New players

Same old problem

I want to say that we were after watching the game but think it's fair to say that we are . Ah well, long season ahead.

No need to panic, obst may be with us by the start of the leeds game