He's third in the table. Given away thirteen penalties, so about one a game. There's about sixteen players on 10+ and another ten with nine penalties.

Not really a stand out issue.

Nope not at all,just proves what a player he is.Unlike the person to be wrong

Excellent win congratulations to the players and coaching staff.

Just watched it what a right f that was to stop the game for a player down in back play who was no were near the play it would have been a massive injustice to not win from that position.

Spoke to Joe the other day, he told me Saints game. Hopefully he won't play next week as it means he will have been rushed back.

He stopped it because Wattsy was floored in the line, not the Wire player in back play. From where I was stood I thought he'd given a penalty when he pointed back.

Watts was stood up after the play the ball he went down on his knees after Silverwood had stopped play to go over to the Warrington player on the half way line the commentators thought he'd given a penalty as well.

Did he? Thanks for that, hadn't realised. Stupid to stop the game then and could even be construed as deliberate?
Thankfully it never cost us.

Yeah thankfully it never cost us the clip on fcs facebook page shows the last few seconds of play I'm sure we'd have kicked up a stink if it had silverwood had his arm out like he'd given a penalty.

So what i said was wrong then?

I think people are understating the Ellis factor. He came back today and we battled back to a win, without him its just the same old dross - maybe Ellis is a leader ahead of Radford like Kearney was a leader ahead of Kear?

Maybe you're just an idiot?

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What's the correlation coefficient this year of Ellis playing and us winning? I don't think it will be that high since he's just returned and we're five from six. Try another hypothesis.

R = 0.15 - so close to almost no relationship between Ellis playing and us winning

Looking at some simple correlations here, its quite interesting (yet obvious),

The correlation between winning and number of points conceded = -0.2

The correlation between winning and the number of points scored = 0.8

Basically proving that it doesnt matter how good your defense is if you can't score points.

A high scoring attack is 4 times more strongly correlated to wins when compared to a good defensive stint. Hence why we have been screwed this year...

C'mon surely you know the term "penalty machine" was thrown at him trying to create negativity whilst ignoring all the positive aspects of his game,a great pro from what i see.

oh yes we always have the negative slant on here no matter what,

Trouble in camp though according to a dead-head poster on here.
Looks like it, doesn't it?

As I said, the number was from last round when he was still on 13 and nobody had more.

I didn't actually say that it was a stand out issue. I was just offering some statistical background on why some people might consider him a penalty machine.

I know nothing of the sort, and neither do you.

Personally I like Minnicheddars and feel that his positives outweigh his negatives. No point in pretending their aren't any negatives, though.

I must admit, I looked at the stats last week and he had the most penalties and the most errors in the league - but maybe this is a side effect of playing 80 mins week in week out

Mini is a top player - one of the few top quality ones we have.

I think that's pretty much a certainty. Over the last few years, look at some of our leading penalty-conceders/error-makers/tackle-missers: Tickle, Westerman, now Minichiello. Manu, Fitzgibbon, Houghton and Whiting are/were others also towards the top end (especially if you look more at averages than totals for Whiting), as has been Ellis (not so much the missed tackles for him, though). Forwards playing big minutes. It's not coincidence, it's heavy involvement and the resulting fatigue, plain and simple.

Player of the season if he carries his form to the end of the season