Cartwright will be having nightmares about Kai ODonnell running at him for weeks

I'm sure Cartwright will be fine it was his first game for months.

Give over will you.
It's night and day between Grix and Smith.
What did you expect was going to happen with young kids, loan signings and players simply not good enough against a good Leigh team.

TBF - You have a raft of injuries, doing it tough, and you're going through a transition phase also. Whether you're bringing the right player's in or not is for another debate. For me, criticizing isn't the right approach right now, and see how it pans out for the start of next season.

Where any of his trys Cartwrights fault, would have to watch them again, but don't remember at the time. Think he was off fir two of them also with a HIA.

I’m not just on about today….i just don’t rate him,he should have gone with Smith and Gene as he was part of the batterings,he is out of his depth,doesn’t call out senior players and,in my opinion a bully to the younger players…just my humble opinion.

The good news is that both Aydin and Cartwright passed their HIAs.
So with Sao, Lane and Chamberlain back next week we might actually be able to put something of a pack out.

I had the misfortune to be late in and turned it on at 16 - 12. It was a horror show after that. Too many players not putting the effort in again and shocking discipline

Fash too, our pack tired today we was fatigued late on, lots of penalties and defence first thirty, Cartwright impressed me, we struggled when he went off for HIA, we need the experience back next week, if no suspensions from this week some tough decisions for Grix on Saturday. I can see him resting Martin next week he's close to the minutes played scenario. People will bag Fash and Lane but we need more experience in the pack IMO. Walker did well at 6 I know he's not a natural but he makes breaks and yardage. Not sure on Chan, Gardiner and Jebson won't play next week. Ashworth can't be far off being back.

I'd go
Moy
Barron/Martin
Carlos
Chamberlain
Briscoe
Walker
Charles
Eseese
Smith
Aydin
Lane
Cartwright
Sao
Subs
Balmforth
Fash
Eseh
Ruan

Would tend to agree, thought Barron was the stand out yesterday and Martin looked like a player that needs resting which isn't unsurprising. Thought Cartwright made a big difference and from initially viewing in a very patched up & inexperienced squad and his first game for a couple of months he looks a promising signing. Walker isn't a half but to be fair he's doing as good a job as possible under the circumstances, didn't think Ruan had a bad effort either.

We again lacked size and experience down the middle combined with the heat and the amount of work defending in the first half due to the ill discipline in the first 25mins it was always going to a very big ask against a strong Leigh side even though they've played 3 games in 10 days.

Hopefully having Sao, Lane and Fash back from supension will give us some much needed experience and a bit of grunt, along with Chamberlain in at centre will improve us and give us the option to rest Lewis Martin.

Whilst the final scoreline was disappointing and performance wasn't the best we've seen of late at least they are still sticking together and not throwing the towel in.

Thats the trouble with the youngsters is they are not ready to play every week. Theyll have learned alot last week, Moy was great at times but did struggle in the second half. The kick from Lam exposed him but he will come back stronger.

I think Charles will be some player, not ready for week in week out but ive seen season first teamers do less in this league at scrum half.

I genuinely believe we are seeing a bit of a golden generation here, just hope some experienced players can bring them on to established first team players.

Barron has come on so much and for me have him slightly ahead of Martin at the minute. Barron has had the advantage of playing outside a more experienced centre though.

Balmforth I think is our golden gem though and he needs a longer deal then one year.

Dont come on here with your level headed rational and fair comments. This forum is to vent your spleen, blame people and offer solutions that often are not practical. We know this season is a pain to endure. Grix has done well with the hand he was dealt. Next season is an entirely different ballgame. Some of our players will have learned loads to take into 2025 and we have hardaker who scored 2 yesterday as well as asiata etc etc

Agree with that apart from Grix doing well. He's not improved us. Should've beat London, Cas and Hudds off the top of my head while he's been in charge

In those games you mention I feel we were second best and didn't deserve to get anything out of them, though should have put in a better showing definitely.

Its Leeds (first time) and Warrington (home) where I think you could argue more that we should have won

Salford away as well.

I've gotta say, your reply is 'Dynamite'

funny how this Martin/Barron selection sways one way then another
Barron looks to be another with the frame to add some weight and could end up being another Joe Burgess type of wing.
I would keep Martin on the left wing with Briscoe with Chamberlain on the bench.
Gardiner will end up in the lower divisions dont see anything in him to say he would/could be S/L quality

I am no Grix fan but if you cant see an improvement since Tinkering Tony was here then you need to give your head a wobble

I don't think Grix has done to bad imo , Every year we hear the same of of the coach trying to narrow the gap between our worst performance and our best ( yes it's hard ).
I think Grix has done this to an extent .
The challenge for him now is to keep the team motivated and playing well enough through our nose dive period of August & September .

He just gives me Andy Last at Cas vibes. Looks out of his depth.

He was a big part of pre season, doing all the field drills and we look terrible. Might seem harsh but I hope Cartwright moves him on tbh but I think he'll be here next year.

Last is rated by other senior coaches somehow , I think Wane got him in the England set more or less straight away .

He's a very good assistant is Last.

In fact Last is leaving Catalan after this year, and has 3 offers on the table

Guessing one isn't Hull, still think we could do with another assistant, Smith and Gene left, with Cartwright and Ellis coming in, although I'm not sure what Ellis role is?

All our coaches seem to be coaches focusing on defense, think we could do with an attack minded coach, someone like Horne or Sheridan.

Also a coach less in the pathways, as Riding left and was replaced internally.

Paul Cooke was the attack coach at York, which incidentally where Myler last played.

Radford was close to Wane and recommneded Andy Last for the England job