How many games is Westerman supposed to boss? Had he ever done it at Cas in SL? No offence but its like asking a centre back to score you 20 goals a season, it's not his game. Sooner people realise that the fee paid was simply a token gesture from our old board to keep us sweet the better.

Exactly, his fee is irrelevant.

Playing him at 13 is criminal though.

How many did he concede tonight?

Josh Hodgson conceded 5 more last season, how many games did he lose you?

Seems everybody [ibut[/i Gentle thinks that!

It's when he does it. Watch him, he concedes penalties in bursts for petulant things, often putting Hull on the back foot at critical times.

Given you're so adamant, I'm sure you have numerous examples?

I'll save you the trouble, you're talking e and I see him far more often than you. Now, Josh Hodgson...

If he didn't play at the Etihad you'd have comfortably shut that game out.

Why's that?

If Ganson wasn't the ref we would have, but he was.

The reason I gave above.
This is very dull and whether you agree or not is immaterial. Watch him.

Whether he's a penalty machine or not, he's quite an average player.

1st half happy with.2nd half we just tired.hopefully we will get better.

And not worth the fee we paid.

Too much is asked for him in a position he hasn't got the ability for, he gets tired and gives away some sloppy penalties.

He was far from been our worse player for mistakes and penalties tonight.

Did anyone manage to catch Seymour after his blistering start?

You defended well for 50 mins but seemed to tire quickly. Some poor defensive reads for 2-3 of Leeds tries. Think Galea had to play much longer than intended. Heremaia looked sharp, attack was disjointed, what's happened to Gentles half-back school? Also noticed how many times Briscoe manages to play the ball to the side of the markers, he should've been penalised 3-4 times for this tonight, that'll get picked up soon.

At 13.

He hasn't the last 3 years.

You've given nothing, which is strangely enough the same as the amount of money timeshare Tony invested.

You don't know what you're on about and you have no evidence to back up your absurd allegation. I could label the same thing at Hodgson, Dobson and Lovegrove who all conceded more penalties than Joe last year, but I don't watch your team so it would be unfair on me to comment.

He's better wider out, but I'm still not particularly impressed overall.

How childish and desperate to bring something totally unrelated into it.
Watch the Manchester Magic game if you can stomach it. He lost you the game.

Out wide I think he's a great talent.

He looks to have added a few pounds but not any strength.

They've got detention.

I remain unconvinced. His time with us has been quite disappointing on the whole.

I his time here Hull fc have been disappointing on the whole.

Way over the top reactions on here. As a neutral I saw enough from Hull to suggest you will improve as the seasons goes on. 6 new players. Don't expect overnight results. First 40; 6-6. Easily forgotten.

Seymour is an also-ran and I never see anything in Richard Whiting, but overall I still think there's enough in hull to mount an assault on the top 4 this yr.

Stick with em.

The same could be said of most of our squad, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they've (all) been disappointing as individuals. Westerman has, in my opinion.