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| Quote ="WestEndThinker"You mean, no point selecting Shaul...?'"
I'd personally play Shaul on the wing..
It's no coincidence, that our attack looks more potent,when we have a FB, who can create more opportunities for the centres and wingers .
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| Quote ="Dave K."When did Wigan expose Connors lack of speed?'"
Was going to ask the same thing!
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| Quote ="weaver93"Brilliant analogy of why Shaul, is not suited to our style of play.
He is more suited to the 80/90's, whereby the Ball playing 13 would create gaps in the middle, and his support play would be more effective.
This is one of the reasons,I feel we need a coach from outside Hull.
For mine, he was an automatic pick, If the coach is from Hull, sometimes the team structure, should take precedence ahead of any player's birthplace.'" I'm not saying he is anywhere near the level of him but the way Melbourne use Ryan Papenhuyzen should be the blueprint of how to use Shaul if we are sticking with him at 1 because their skillset is so similar.
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| Quote ="The Hollywood Frasier"I'm not saying he is anywhere near the level of him but the way Melbourne use Ryan Papenhuyzen should be the blueprint of how to use Shaul if we are sticking with him at 1 because their skillset is so similar.'"
I’d certainly look at a different role for Shaul.
I’d keep Jake at Full Back and move Shaul up to develop as a Hooker.
His pace would be effective, firstly scooting from the PTB and also having him closer to the off loads to make breaks.
We don’t exploit Jamie enough to back up the forwards. He should be following the breaks made by the forwards, just like we had with Shaun Briscoe, Horne, Schofield and Steve Evans used to do. We have forwards now who are looking to off load and moving Jamie upfield would have him closer to finish those opportunities.
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| Quote ="Rugby Raider"I’d certainly look at a different role for Shaul.
I’d keep Jake at Full Back and move Shaul up to develop as a Hooker.
His pace would be effective, firstly scooting from the PTB and also having him closer to the off loads to make breaks.
We don’t exploit Jamie enough to back up the forwards. He should be following the breaks made by the forwards, just like we had with Shaun Briscoe, Horne, Schofield and Steve Evans used to do. We have forwards now who are looking to off load and moving Jamie upfield would have him closer to finish those opportunities.'"
I'm not sure having a hooker who cant pass or tackle is a great idea.
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| Quote ="Dave K."I'm not sure having a hooker who cant pass or tackle is a great idea.'"
180 games and can't pass or tackle.
Give the guy a break, he won't be playing again for 9 months.
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| Quote ="Dave K."I'm not sure having a hooker who cant pass or tackle is a great idea.'"
Dont think passing two or three metres from the play the ball is a problem and he would not be tackling one to one as there are normally two or three tackling down the middle.
Well suited to the new modern nine role.You cant cant call it hooker now as it s not relevant
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| Quote ="Rugby Raider"We don’t exploit Jamie enough to back up the forwards. He should be following the breaks made by the forwards, just like we had with Shaun Briscoe, Horne, Schofield and Steve Evans used to do. We have forwards now who are looking to off load and moving Jamie upfield would have him closer to finish those opportunities.'" That's what I mean, instead of him pushing up looking for offloads or using his pace cutting back against a sliding defence he is getting a play ready on the flanks where we try to get him into a 3 on 2 situation.
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| Quote ="The Hollywood Frasier"That's what I mean, instead of him pushing up looking for offloads or using his pace cutting back against a sliding defence he is getting a play ready on the flanks where we try to get him into a 3 on 2 situation.'"
we dont produce many walk ins for our wings.
Any average wing with an overlap will score a try and dont forget we use our wings and centres to bring the ball out of defence something a small guy like Shaul would not be good at.
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| Quote ="bonaire"we dont produce many walk ins for our wings.
Any average wing with an overlap will score a try and dont forget we use our wings and centres to bring the ball out of defence something a small guy like Shaul would not be good at.'" We created far more scoring opportunities for our wingers since Connor went to fullback.
Shaul is really good at knowing when to 'scoot' when our wingers have got a quick PTB clearing our line and getting at a unorganised defence something which he would get it he was following our forwards up the middle in particular Sao.
Coote and French are polar opposites when it comes to skillset both brilliant fullbacks but their teams play to their strengths something which we fail to do when it comes to Shaul at fullback.
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| Rumours of a British full back signed
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| Quote ="Dave K."When did Wigan expose Connors lack of speed?'"
Watch the game back again Dave.
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| Naulago Kelly Shaul gone next season
We would have the slowest back line in SL
Combine that with Connor at full back ,
defensively we would get exposed by most teams
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| Quote ="Boardwalkempire2"Watch the game back again Dave.'"
I've watched it, and cant pick an occasion where they took advantage of Connor having no pace
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| Quote ="The Hollywood Frasier"We created far more scoring opportunities for our wingers since Connor went to fullback.
Shaul is really good at knowing when to 'scoot' when our wingers have got a quick PTB clearing our line and getting at a unorganised defence something which he would get it he was following our forwards up the middle in particular Sao.
Coote and French are polar opposites when it comes to skillset both brilliant fullbacks but their teams play to their strengths something which we fail to do when it comes to Shaul at fullback.'"
I agree with your second paragraph that why i have always said he should now be playing at nine
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| Shaul could play wing for me.
Good under the high ball, can scoot and bring play out from our own half, got pace.
Worth a try and it will inject some pace out wide
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| Quote ="Irregular Hoops"Shaul could play wing for me.
Good under the high ball, can scoot and bring play out from our own half, got pace.
Worth a try and it will inject some pace out wide'"
Swift is a much better option
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| Quote ="Wilde 3"Rumours of a British full back signed'"
A very wilde rumour, whats your source?
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| Quote ="Wilde 3"Rumours of a British full back signed'"
From Warrington I’ve heard , maybe on loan is it !
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| Quote ="ccs"180 games and can't pass or tackle.
Give the guy a break, he won't be playing again for 9 months.'"
In terms of playing hooker yes.
What has him being injured got to do with it, are we not allowed to talk about injured players?
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| Quote ="bonaire"Dont think passing two or three metres from the play the ball is a problem and he would not be tackling one to one as there are normally two or three tackling down the middle.
Well suited to the new modern nine role.You cant cant call it hooker now as it s not relevant'"
Then why are no other clubs in the world playing wongers at hooker if speed is what is needed.
Passing and defence are massive still in the hooker position.
I do think we could do with some zip though at hooker as our two hookers are very similar.
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| Quote ="Windy winger"From Warrington I’ve heard , maybe on loan is it !'"
Unless its Ratchford, then I dont see the point in signing a inexperienced FB on loan when we have Wynne.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Unless its Ratchford, then I dont see the point in signing a inexperienced FB on loan when we have Wynne.'"
If true I’d have said it’s Matty Ashton , not a bad player and a step up on wynne.
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| Quote ="Windy winger"If true I’d have said it’s Matty Ashton , not a bad player and a step up on wynne.'"
From what I have seen, he looks a FB in the Shaul style.
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| Quote ="bonaire"Dont think passing two or three metres from the play the ball is a problem and he would not be tackling one to one as there are normally two or three tackling down the middle.
Well suited to the new modern nine role.You cant cant call it hooker now as it s not relevant'"
Think our passing at the PTB is very poor.
Quite often it comes at head height, which allows the defence to close down an extra yard or two. I counted 2-3 poor passes from Johnstone during one set in the Wigan game. Houghton passing isn’t consistent either.
I didn’t play rugby to a very high level, but at school we were taught to pass at stomach height just in front of the player running onto the ball. The must be more errors too resulting from head high passes
It’s not just Hull, but passing in Rugby League is a skill that very few teams seem to work on. I’m not a Union fan, but caught a bit of Aus v NZ the other weekend. The passing speed and accuracy of the scrum halves was amazing in comparison.
Same ball and pick up from the ground before passing.
Surprised clubs don’t get their players to work on this basic skill more.
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