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| If he is to be a first grade player either at Hull or Aus in future years he will need to start proving it now and would be expected to have a major impact on games at Championship level straight away. I hope for him (and Hull) that he can do that but personally I doubt it.
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| All HB's which we've signed ,have been wrongly blamed ,for the team's lack of
attack -IMO.
Any HB needs runners & options to pass to, we never use dummy runners consistently.
Its not Long,Seymour,Miller etc to blame, its up to the coaching staff to ensure, we play basic RL.
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| Quote ="weaver93"All HB's which we've signed ,have been wrongly blamed ,for the team's lack of
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Any HB needs runners & options to pass to, we never use dummy runners consistently.
Its not Long,Seymour,Miller etc to blame, its up to the coaching staff to ensure, we play basic RL.'"
but at the same time, shouldn't these HB's be organising the players and set plays? asking for dummy runners etc?
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| Quote ="Dave K."According to the HDM '"
I'll stop you there.
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| Quote ="Offy"but at the same time, shouldn't these HB's be organising the players and set plays? asking for dummy runners etc?'"
What IF the HB asks for runners, and there is none?
When was the last time,we had dummy runners??
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| Quote ="weaver93"What IF the HB asks for runners, and there is none?
When was the last time,we had dummy runners??'"
the fact being, is if the half backs want dummy runners, then he she be organising them so that there are dummy runners. if there isn't any then again that's down to him not organising and directing
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| Quote ="Offy"the fact being, is if the half backs want dummy runners, then he she be organising them so that there are dummy runners. if there isn't any then again that's down to him not organising and directing'"
I don't think it's that simple. A good half back can dictate play to an extent, but he can't telepathically tell all of his runners where he wants them to be. These things need to be worked out in training. Look at the movement of the Wigan players. Do you really think Blake Green is telling all of those guys where to run? It's no coincidence that Green has gone from being an ok half back at Rovers to a really good one at Wigan. It's because it's easy to look good when your just shovelling easy balls onto guys who know exactly what line to run. The half backs just need to call plays and give prompts. If the other guys can't run that play effectively then it's not necessarily the scrum half's fault.
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| Maybe le don't want to dummy run for him as he constantly throws out hospital balls?
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| hope he doesn't take this as an insult, goes with the right attitude and gives a good account of himself
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| Quote ="Offy"the fact being, is if the half backs want dummy runners, then he she be organising them so that there are dummy runners. if there isn't any then again that's down to him not organising and directing'"
If that's the case, Why have coaching staff??
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| Quote ="weaver93"If that's the case, Why have coaching staff??'"
We have those?
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| Quote ="weaver93"If that's the case, Why have coaching staff??'"
I'm guessing you are Mike Weaver, what did you think of AP response to your question?
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| Quote ="Dave K."I'm guessing you are Mike Weaver, what did you think of AP response to your question?'"
You guess well Dave.
Didnt really specifically answer about Sports Psychology or Sports Science, did he? - he dodged the answer - IMO.
He did state,about youth conditioning, which is vital - IMO
I dont think he's aware of the vast coaching set-up at Leeds, saying we are on a par.
What you think mate?
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| Quote ="Liam666"hope he doesn't take this as an insult, goes with the right attitude and gives a good account of himself'"
Me too. I really want the kid to come good and I hope this will help him find some form. He could make the difference at the end of the season.
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| Quote ="weaver93"You guess well Dave.
Didnt really specifically answer about Sports Psychology or Sports Science, did he? - he dodged the answer - IMO.
He did state,about youth conditioning, which is vital - IMO
I dont think he's aware of the vast coaching set-up at Leeds, saying we are on a par.
What you think mate?'"
Not sure, maybe if you were asking the questions you could him to explain it more.
Sounded like we were on par with Leeds, so maybe it's the website that is not complete.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Not sure, maybe if you were asking the questions you could him to explain it more.
Sounded like we were on par with Leeds, so maybe it's the website that is not complete.'"
There's more people involved at the club than is on the website, yes.
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| Quote ="weaver93"If that's the case, Why have coaching staff??'"
to work along side the players...if half backs thinks something isn't working then its best to say. which he should do. if I get told to do something by my boss and think it would work better a different way, I'd say.
when organising, you're supposed to be barking out orders, pointing players where to be, you see this with all the top half backs
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| Quote ="Offy"to work along side the players...if half backs thinks something isn't working then its best to say. which he should do. if I get told to do something by my boss and think it would work better a different way, I'd say.
when organising, you're supposed to be barking out orders, pointing players where to be, you see this with all the top half backs'"
If those players were well drilled they wouldn't need someone barking orders at them. Are you really suggesting its upto Miller to tell all the players to run good lines with intent so that he has options on every PTB?
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| Quote ="Robbo4"If those players were well drilled they wouldn't need someone barking orders at them. Are you really suggesting its upto Miller to tell all the players to run good lines with intent so that he has options on every PTB?'"
Wigan do it automatically, they are so well drilled, they could do it blind folded.-in all 3 grades.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"If those players were well drilled they wouldn't need someone barking orders at them. Are you really suggesting its upto Miller to tell all the players to run good lines with intent so that he has options on every PTB?'"
not every play, but if he wants runners, he should shout for runners. even at u16 level we used to work on several plays and shout code words out when we were getting ready to try them, with half backs point players in the direction, as a general should do.
I like miller and really want him to progress and become a great player, so don't think this is me having a pop at him, because its not. but half backs should be saying what they want in the game if they want to lead a team around the park
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| Quote ="Offy"not every play, but if he wants runners, he should shout for runners. even at u16 level we used to work on several plays and shout code words out when we were getting ready to try them, with half backs point players in the direction, as a general should do.
I like miller and really want him to progress and become a great player, so don't think this is me having a pop at him, because its not. but half backs should be saying what they want in the game if they want to lead a team around the park'"
Good riposte.
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| Quote ="Offy"not every play, but if he wants runners, he should shout for runners. even at u16 level we used to work on several plays and shout code words out when we were getting ready to try them, with half backs point players in the direction, as a general should do.
I like miller and really want him to progress and become a great player, so don't think this is me having a pop at him, because its not. but half backs should be saying what they want in the game if they want to lead a team around the park'"
I've seen Miller barking out orders (I'm assuming it's orders as obviously I cant hear him) plenty of times. The runners just don't seem well drilled enough to actually cause the opposition problems. The timing or positioning just seems to be off far too often and it's not a problem that only happens when Miller plays either.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"I've seen Miller barking out orders (I'm assuming it's orders as obviously I cant hear him) plenty of times. The runners just don't seem well drilled enough to actually cause the opposition problems. The timing or positioning just seems to be off far too often and it's not a problem that only happens when Miller plays either.'"
That's because we have been missing a general to take us around the park for years....and years.....and years (you get the hint )
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| Quote ="Offy"That's because we have been missing a general to take us around the park for years....and years.....and years (you get the hint
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Or we've been missing the correct coaching systems to get the players as well drilled as Wigan for example (you get the hint ).
In truth it's probably a bit of both but I refuse to lay all the blame for a lack of structure, dummy runners, backing up, at the feet of a 21 year old in his first full season at the club.
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| ive not placed all the blame on him, far from it, as westy takes a lot of the burden of the hb's in his work load. I said I want him to become a great hb for us, but wont do so until he gets his mouth opened and starts organising things.
I dare say the coaching system hasn't been right, but over the years and years, can none of those coaches have got the players drilled?
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