Was really poor today and not great last week either for me. He's certainly not the reason we lost but like others have said to be a super league half back you need more than a good kicking game, even that hasn't been that great for me in the last two games. He needs to get in a lot better shape physically and also needs to really work on his defence, he's still young and will be much better for the experience but needs a lot of work.

Surprised you saw most of the second half, didn't think u had the balls to stay for the full game!

Bit hot and cold was Jamie today. He linked well for one of Tom's tries and his kick early in the second half that Tom got hold of but had it kicked out of his hands during grounding was a great kick. On the other side of the coin the missed touch was a nightmare as was his scrum-break defence on Cudjoe. He does throw out too many hospital passes for me and at the end of the day Richard Horne was massively missed today. With Ellis and Seymour together we lack a running threat and also Richard's defence is miles better than Ellis'. A spell in the 20s would be great for Jamie again but it ain't going to happen any time soon with the injuries.

I thought Seymour was excellent until the knock on but by then he had already been injured and was struggling.

What?

Agree I thought he was having his best game for us until then. Still an awful knock on that started the tide turning, though. A knee problem should not affect your ability to catch and hold a rugby ball.

Think the accumulation of minutes this season caught up with him today (and also Tickle), he had absolutely nothing left with over 20 minutes to go. Really don't understand why we still left him out there, the game was obviously gone and we would have been better off giving him some of the rest he clearly needs IMO.

I'm sure he'd agree with you.

i was in the players bar after game and seymour met his missus an said he was off for a scan at hospital. fact he going straight for scan from game worries me! few battered bodies in there. tickle n yeamo massive shiners,whiting hobbling with a hamstring injury,turner dead leg,lyne big bust up lip,martin looked stiff n tom looked shattered. earn there money them lads. specially as at the time had man u - villa on tv diving around

But apart from that everything looks hunky dory then?

Back onto Jamie Ellis.

I don't think many of our players covered themselves in glory during the 2nd half, fatigue, injuries and an inexperienced bench took its toll.

Don't think its fair to single out just Ellis, kick to touch aside he was no better or worse than a fair few of our players.
What will being dropped to the 20's achieve or do to his condence? Nothing I suspect and something Agar would do
His performance will be analyised no doubt by him and Gentle and the defficiences and errors identified and worked on.
He is a young kid still learning his trade in SL and it is no coincidence that his worst performance was in a severely tired and weakened side.
He is best kept in the 1st team in order to develop and improve imo as he'll only get better the more 1st team rugby he plays.

More then happy with how Ellis is playing.

Great kicking game which will improve the more responsibility and experience he gets.

Gonna be a cracker.

I think it's a lot more difficult for backs, especially halves, to get to grips with SL. A spell in the 20's would be ideal now he's had exposure, but it's not going to happen until Hornes fit, maybe then put Nicklas on the bench.

TBF to Ellis it's hard enough for an experienced SL half to do well with the lack of towards we have at the moment I think the Easter perod on top of a serious lack of bodies just took it's toll. Can't fault any of them for effort or commitment but it looked like they reverted to playing on instinct rather than the game plan 2nd half.

ellis will come good i think. All the ingredients are there. But we are missing Horne at min. Ellis's passing meant numerous promising attacks fell flat,or worse we turned over position. When horne back ellis will probably go back to 20s but he'll be better for his 1st team run and will have more time to fine tune his skills there n will get more opportunities along the line better equipped!

Posters go on about bringing the youngsters in But today proved there are not ready for S/L .You can bring in one at a time and the team can carry that one but to many and the team loses that balance .To have a go at J Ellis is wrong the lad is still learning his trade ,he has been force into the first team because of injuries .Huddersfield are top of S/L who could rotate players last Monday they rested players I wish Hull could have done that I judge Hull on a full squad not a patch up team

Yes, think he needs game time. Elements of his game look fine, others look clunky. Thought he might have stepped up more easily, when I think back to Danny Brough coming from York for example, but he's not had a run in the first team yet.

TBF Danny Brough was hardly an instant hero. If anything he was the long kicking game for Horne and Cooke and never really dominated a game at all.

Brough came into a side led by Swain, Cooke and Horne I reckon Ellis can follow suit if not better.

Brough slotted in pretty well and easily IMO from a weaker reputation than Championship Player of the Year with 35 tries. I think it's too early to judge Ellis, he's had next to no game time and the way he bossed games last year suggests there's plenty more to come.

Ellis has a great long kicking game, however he has a lot of development yet, and hopefully Gentle will get the best out of him over the next couple of years.. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2012

Ellis has a great long kicking game, however he has a lot of development yet, and hopefully Gentle will get the best out of him over the next couple of years.. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2012

young kids miss some easy tackles in SL when they first step up. Will take him a good year to really just get use to playing 1st team.
He needs to be in the 1st team now more than the 20s its the only way he will improve now.
will just be better when we have more players back to help him out.

Young players will make mistakes especially halfbacks and especially when he is playing in a side missing experienced players. He needs to be coming off the bench like he was early in the season but needs must. This experience of starting for 4/5 games will be great for his development.

Agreed

Not showing enough with ball in hand for me but the long kicking game is excellent so very similar to Brough when he first came here and if Ellis can improve half as much as him we will have a good player.

Young or not that missed kick to touch was absolutely unforgiveable, why kick it to the further of the two touchlines in the first place and even worse go for more distance than previous? Okay Alibert should have let Danny take the quick tap but the missed tackles just added to a pretty average performance from him.