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| Quote ="PAUL M"Hall and Yeaman should be our centres but Whiting has been excellent in the first two games so can't be dropped really. Too early for Briscoe in the centres imo.'"
I agree with all of that.
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| I have been watching this game for as long as the famous wilf, and can spot in young hall, something a bit special !!!
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"The independent test of whether Hall has the potential most on here think he has will be how many clubs (other than Rovers) try and tap him up before the end of the season. Would Leeds/Saints/Wigan/Hudds/Catalans/Bradford for example be in for him? He's played 50 SL games now and is in his 4th season.
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Scored ~30 tries in those 50 games, hasn't he - in a team that hasn't been scoring especially freely. Suspect he'll always be a bit erratic, but he is exciting to watch, which IMO makes him better value for money than a more consistent but less brilliant equivalent.
With the quota coming down you have to take into account he is fed-trained and young. Leeds have a good pipeline, but Senior is ageing and Delaney non-fed. Saints have two non-fed centres. At Wigan Carmont qualifies as fed-trained, I think, but is 31. Not sure whether Lolesi and Whatuira have quota exemptions. I as I understand Rovers can only keep one of Jake Webster or Ben Galea (unless a contracted player leaves), next year. If it was Webster who went, I'm struggling to think of a better young british centre who might be available, than Hall. If he leaves Hull, I doubt he'll be short of offers.
Someone said they thought he was too small for centre - maybe long-term he might develop into a stand-off?
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| "Coz if I play on Yeamo's wing I'll be bored to death!!!!!!!!!!"
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Hall and Yeaman should be our centres but Whiting has been excellent in the first two games so can't be dropped really. Too early for Briscoe in the centres imo.'"
Personally, I would have Briscoe and Hall as starting centres and bin Yeaman. Yeaman doesn't have the ability to create a try from nothing, Hall does. I never understand this oh he's too young to start playing in a postion constantly (Briscoe). If you're good enough , you're old enough. He's a professional Athlete, regardless of his age. He may make some mistakes, but that's how you learn.
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| The lad has a lot of qualities but unfortunately he does drop the odd clanger or two as well, however as a potential he does have a gift in his running style however is he as good as Whiting... NO
Whitings performances this term have been exemplary thus far and from what I have seen on TV also he is the stand out centre in SL so far so as said before his position to loose!! and as was noted in the paper he is making folk look at him again
To play Hall at stand off would hand him to the lions I am afraid he hasnt the brain or the stature for that .
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| I thought 6 might have been the way to go with Hall a couple of years ago think he played there against wakey when he scored the legnth of the pitch try and set up a couple more has good hands and a tastey cut out pass. But the way he finished last year at left you have got to say his future lies there.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"The independent test of whether Hall has the potential most on here think he has will be how many clubs (other than Rovers) try and tap him up before the end of the season. Would Leeds/Saints/Wigan/Hudds/Catalans/Bradford for example be in for him? He's played 50 SL games now and is in his 4th season.
FWIW the OP was about the HDM stating the bleeding obvious (Hall, a centre, wants to play centre, because he's a centre).
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In a Leeds or Saints team he would flourish and yes i think any team in the comp who is looking for a centre would have a look at him, even Wire may be a possibilty with his family connection , but i cannot see him going to Rovers somehow
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| Quote ="techno""Coz if I play on Yeamo's wing I'll be bored to death!!!!!!!!!!"'"
I always wondered how come he and Raynor were such good mates.
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| I dont think Agar has the balls to give Hall an proper run at centre. For me , He's one of the best attacking centres in SL and is been wasted on the wing. Either play him or bin him .
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| In my opinion we should keep a tight hold of hall at all costs. He is not the finished article and people seem to be on his back as if he should be doing everything right, every game, all of the time. That's utopia and it's not going to happen for any player.
hall's young, scores trys- his record proves that and has great instinct. He's got that special something but yes, other areas like defence and 'bulking up' will come over time. He's an investment that we need to keep in the bank as we don't know what will happen in the next year or so. I would not say I would prefare him to Briscoe and yeaman, but what about injuries - we only need a 'long-termer' and we're stuffed. Be patient and we'll have a star.
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| Quote ="TommysDad"In my opinion we should keep a tight hold of hall at all costs. He is not the finished article and people seem to be on his back as if he should be doing everything right, every game, all of the time. That's utopia and it's not going to happen for any player.
hall's young, scores trys- his record proves that and has great instinct. He's got that special something but yes, other areas like defence and 'bulking up' will come over time. He's an investment that we need to keep in the bank as we don't know what will happen in the next year or so. I would not say I would prefare him to Briscoe and yeaman, but what about injuries - we only need a 'long-termer' and we're stuffed. Be patient and we'll have a star.'"
Spot on there, it is clear we have a star, i think Agar is right in holding him back a little, i think Timing will be everything for him. Superb player but just needs the right time to be given the all go at a consecutive run at !
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| Quote ="blackandwhitecity"Spot on there, it is clear we have a star, i think Agar is right in holding him back a little, i think Timing will be everything for him. Superb player but just needs the right time to be given the all go at a consecutive run at Centre!'"
I dont think Agar is holding him back for the right reasons though, He's now 21ish so he should be first choice right centre Imo. Tom Briscoe is 2 years younger ,Should we hold him back aswell , a GB International ?. What a find Ryan Hall was at Leeds , Now a first team regular and GB at 22.
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| Quote ="B0NES"I dont think Agar is holding him back for the right reasons though, He's now 21ish so he should be first choice right centre Imo. Tom Briscoe is 2 years younger ,Should we hold him back aswell , a GB International ?. What a find Ryan Hall was at Leeds , Now a first team regular and GB at 22.'"
A very good point in reading that, i think now you,ve pointed it out, when we do compare some of our youngsters coming through to the development of other younger players at other clubs we do now you mention it lack in our ability to walk the walk so to speak. maybe he does need to be blooded in. I suppose its a case of fight or flight
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| Quote ="blackandwhitecity"A very good point in reading that, i think now you,ve pointed it out, when we do compare some of our youngsters coming through to the development of other younger players at other clubs we do now you mention it lack in our ability to walk the walk so to speak. maybe he does need to be blooded in. I suppose its a case of fight or flight'"
IMO At Hull , we hold back our young players too much. It frustrates me to see other clubs playing kids at 17 , 18 , 19 with No problem , Yet Hall at 21 is classed by the coaches as not yet developed . It seems our coaching set up lacks the confidence to "give them a go " , Rather than the players themselves.
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| Quote ="B0NES"IMO At Hull , we hold back our young players too much. It frustrates me to see other clubs playing kids at 17 , 18 , 19 with No problem , Yet Hall at 21 is classed by the coaches as not yet developed . It seems our coaching set up lacks the confidence to "give them a go " , Rather than the players themselves.'"
who brought T briscoe here and has coached him to bigger things,who would of thought tom would of played for his country already,also his brother jack,also reece lyne stepped up this year and liam kent both at a very young age and they may well even get a run out this season,seems to me everyone thinks agar has a problm with hall,i personaly dont.
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| For me Hall is the type of player who needs an arm around him, Tell him how good he could be and then give him a run in the side at centre and we would reap the benefits. We did last season to a degree at the back end of the season, it's just unfortunate for him that Whiting has done so well in the first two games whilst he has been covering on the wing.
I hope he makes the spot his own this season, if he doesn't then I think he will want to move on at the end of the season sadly.
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| I hope he gets offered and signs a new deal. Gunna be a quality centre, bit suspect in defence but he can be taught that. Would have him and Yeaman as centres (when playing on the firmer grounds), keep Briscoe on the wing.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Hall and Yeaman should be our centres but Whiting has been excellent in the first two games so can't be dropped really. Too early for Briscoe in the centres imo.'"
Hall will get the nod over Whiting on firmer ground imo. Briscoe looks a class act and will be a centre in the future but while he is doing what he is on the wing and while we have options like we do i have no issues with him staying as a winger.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"[uHall will get the nod over Whiting on firmer ground imo[/u. Briscoe looks a class act and will be a centre in the future but while he is doing what he is on the wing and while we have options like we do i have no issues with him staying as a winger.'"
Or maybe Turner ?
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Or maybe Turner ?'"
I'd go for Hall every day of the week over Turner. (but he's an option)
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"I'd go for Hall every day of the week over Turner. (but he's an option)
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Fair enough...You may change your mind once Turner gets up and running
I am going to dub him the special one
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| I don't see how anyone will get the nod above Whiting if he carries on playing like he is at the moment. Dry grounds or not.
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| Quote ="Amadeo Avogadro"I don't see how anyone will get the nod above Whiting if he carries on playing like he is at the moment. Dry grounds or not.'"
Interesting decision for Agar to make. Whiting offers a great deal to the side in whatever position he plays but on firmer ground when teams generally score more points i believe we need to go with a more attacking pacey option. The way that our summers go it may be that we only actually get to play on firmer ground for 4 or 5 games though.
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