must be difficult when you're the only attacking option on the pitch.

Saying that though, before this weekend Horne had the most try assists in the league

You mean like Paul Anderson? Or is that different?

Don't you go confusing folk with facts and logic.

Just watched it on sky+, from my PoV we were pretty much the same as last week the difference was the team in front of us and the rub of the green. Last week we were quite fortunate and the opposition was awful, this week the opposition was miles better and there were a few important calls which could have gone the other way.

Really? Patronised? We have beaten the champions at their spot, St. Helens away- the team all the pundits were tipping to win this year, and wigan at home. We defended 68 consecutive wigan play the balls to our 1 all within our own twenty metre line to prevent wigan scoring. So yes - you played well and did well to score given our completion rate and error rate (compare to Bradford game!)

Your forwards matched ours up the middle, massive credit to you your defence for the most part was very solid. You did a good job of keeping the pressure on brough, and eorl wasn't allowed to do his stuff. Gentles tactics of kicking to murphy was ill advised - but holdsworth did as asked on that front but murphy was up to the challenge. Our three quarters played better than yours and that's where we won the game for me. Of course if that's patronising feel free to throw it back in my face.

Playing well atm but it'll all come crashing down

As for Kosh try not to be such a condescending nob all your life

Different, then.

i thought you played pretty well last night. there was nothing between us for the first 65 minutes but we just had that extra bit of class to finish you off.
i thought you defended well and caused us some problems in attack,especially with the offloads,you prevented brough from kicking you to pieces and stopped our forwards,i thought you won the forward battle actually.
as for being robbed etc,give over, apart from the mcdonnell drop out i didn't see anything else that robbed you,in fact i thought the ref had a pretty decent game.
don't be too down on yourselves,you were good last night and probably didn't deserve a 24-10 defeat.

the best etam won on the night as we were to predictable in attack
the nice little chip over resulted in a try but that was the only thing we did different all night
after the first 20 mins Holdsworth should have realised Murphy could deal with his kicks and tried varying them,
the ball never got out wide quick enough.
what happened to the expansive game we have been promised?

the game itself though was good and both teams deserve credit for the way it was played, and i liked the way Bentham let the game flow

dissapointed -yes
downhearted -No

R.B.A is a wovers fan

So, who would you have advised Holdsworth to kick to?

I don’t think that it was because Murphy was believed to be weak, or not up to the challenge, but perhaps the best option available.

Fair point, the back three would be Murphy, Grix, mcgivery. All safe as houses under the high bomb and have great positional sense. Very difficult for a team to get anything from kicking towards these three

In yards, yes. On the floor, no IMO. Our forwards still spend far too much time on their backs.

Pretty much agree with that, for the most part the officials were decent. It just so happened though that the 2 worst calls of the night cost us tries and turned the game/momentum. We might have got away with a little bit more than we deserved around the ruck at times, but we didn't get any obviously bad calls in our favour that granted us additional possession/points, they did.

Agreed. Galea didn't cover himself in glory with the ease with which he was ran around, but it was still Green's misread that created the hole.

I think Galea's try (and the one against Widnes) showed that he can still run a good line and be devastating in a straight line, but several times already this season we have seen that he struggles to change direction and is not as agile as he once was. I do wonder if a bit of rotation could help him out though, he's playing far too many minutes.

Overall I don't think we did too badly. I think the game swung in a 5 minute period around the hour mark, with 4 key things happening: First, the dodgy dropout call which led to a try. Second, Cudjoe's tackle on McDonnell. We go in there and I think we grab the ascendency back. Third, Lynch's forward pass. Fourth, Wardle's forward pass going unpunished and the gap being opened. The latter 2 completely swung the momentum of the game to Hudds and we simply weren't capable of chasing the game. Don't think we deserved the last try, gave the scoreline a misrepresentative look IMO.

Also, whilst our attack clearly has it's failings, I do think that people aren't quite giving the Hudds defence it's due. Our misfiring attack still scored as many points as anyone has at Hudds this season outside of the Bradford game when they were without Brough, and more than both Leeds and Saints managed against them when at home. We played a good team in red hot form and very nearly managed to nick a result, not to be sniffed at.

Murphy was probably the strongest of the three rather than the weakest- grix is ok under the high ball - but can't run the ball in strongly - so kick to grix and immediately hit him there's the possibility he will fluff it. Either by dropping it or panicking. Jerry weakest of three under the high ball but is short compared to your guys so always the chance they can get it if the chase is good - he will run the ball in strongly but usually does so after a good run up- if you prevent that run up he's not as effective.

Defence was excellent as was the effort. It was fairly clear to me that Holdsworth wasn't fit, he didn't look right all night and it told. A couple of calls went against us but these things happen. For me the biggest issue is still our attack. It's no better now than it was with Agar. Ball movement is slow, no dummy runners and the ball just doesn't get wide often enough. Twice we got the ball wide early and both times Arundel and Crooks almost broke through.

Effort is great but once again we have failed to win a tight game against a top side.

Also we have we stopped offloading the ball? One way to get around a lack of creativity is to offload the ball and play in broken play and quick ptbs can be gained from this too. When we do it we play well (Leeds H) and (Bulls A) to name two.

What do you guys think to Horne's form this year? Although he didnt do much kicking vs Hudds, i thought he looked decent in attack and he has some power that i think we struggled to contain at times, i dont know if he has played much loose forward before but if he's fit enough i think he would go well there for you.

But he wouldnt really change the way he plays, he would still get it 2nd man out for example. We have a good group of forwards so we stick one of the more obile props at 13, either Watts or Green. Once the tracks get a bit dryer then we should see more of an offload game from a group of forwards that are capable of doing this

Or Shaun Wayne or Frannie Cummins.

Yet another stupid argument shot down in flames.

Were you there ???

We never get a good crowd when we are on TV. Had it been Sunday afternoon it would have been 7-8000. And Hull brought the smallest contingent I have seen for many years, I think a lot of them stopped at home and watched it on TV like a lot of ours did.

We could all see it in the stand, it was a couple of metres forward not just borderline, all I can say is the nearest touch judge must have been unsighted when the ball was passed.
It wasn`t hard for the far touch judge to see it, he only had to look in a straight line across the field.

I don't think anyone doubts he got it right. What annoys us is that he missed one right under his nose. Consistency is all we ask for.