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| Quote ="downtheante"I think that there is a noisy minority who like to suggest that they represent the silent majority. Moa was definitely not fit when he joined us mid-season but by the time he was fit at the end of the season he was a crowd favourite for good reason. At the end of the season, if everyone is fit and Moa has developed further, much as I like Cusack, I would be very tempted take the young Sam Moa over Cusack who, [uat only 33, is much nearer the end of his career[/u.'" BUT however is a more complete player with much more experience than Moa.. proper catch 22 huh
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| The reason the fans wanted him to stay is because he gave his all at the back of the season WHEN he was given good game time, having 10 mins is a waste of a potentially powerfull prop, were as with Cusack you get the effort but no tackle breaks and no big hits and also easy to stop.
We made a big noise about the Tongan Mafia with all three lets give the guy a proper run out with the o'MELEY AND FITZGIBBONS he can only learn and improve
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| Quote ="Robbo4"Its become the latest message board myth that Moa has never played well for us and never been fit etc etc.'"
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| Quote ="downtheante"I think that there is a noisy minority who like to suggest that they represent the silent majority.'"
Think you could be on to summat there
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| Quote ="Riff"with Cusack you get the effort but no tackle breaks and no big hits and also easy to stop.
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I'm pretty certain that Cusack will have more tackle breaks/busts and a lot more big hits . Not quite sure how you'd define that, but, however you do, he'll have more. If fact, Cusack made more breaks in the last game than Moa has made since he's been here (I don't recall Moa making a single clean break).
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"Yak is never going to stand out, but as has been pointed out it's the little things he does that make him effective. He's never gunna put big hits on in defence or skittle defenders in attack, but what he is going to do is wrestle well to stop the opposition getting a quick PTB, and always find his knees and elbows allowing Berrigan to get on the front foot and the other forwards rolling.'"
You got it right there,totally agree.
First poster to much I think not watching the game or does not understand the finner points.
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| Quote ="trys'r'us"Quote ="Riff"with Cusack you get the effort but no tackle breaks and no big hits and also easy to stop.
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I'm pretty certain that Cusack will have more tackle breaks/busts and a lot more big hits . Not quite sure how you'd define that, but, however you do, he'll have more. If fact, Cusack made more breaks in the last game than Moa has made since he's been here (I don't recall Moa making a single clean break).'"
If this was the case then we would have let him go, small memory you have me thinks , do we think we only renewed Cusacks contract because Fizty is here, as a favour to him, we were not even talking contracts until we signed Fitzgibbon.
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| but would the team benifit more with 2 impact props and 3 workhorse type props including fitz. rather then 1 impact prop and 4 workhorses? ive noticed in the games this year once omeeley goes of we lack go forward and some real impact
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| Quote ="Riff"If this was the case then we would have let him go, small memory you have me thinks'"
Well there's the thing, I have a very good memory. Extremely good, in fact. And yet, for the life of me, I can't remember a single clean break by Moa, but I can remember multiple from Cusack. Weird.
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| Quote ="arliebird"but would the team benifit more with 2 impact props and 3 workhorse type props including fitz. rather then 1 impact prop and 4 workhorses? ive noticed in the games this year once omeeley goes of we lack go forward and some real impact'"
Moa don't make a massive impact though.
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| Quote ="downtheante"I think that there is a noisy minority who like to suggest that they represent the silent majority. quote
there is also a minority who think they own sole rights to this message board as sudo mods too!!
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| Quote ="trys'r'us"Well there's the thing, I have a very good memory. Extremely good, in fact. And yet, for the life of me, I can't remember a single clean break by Moa, but I can remember multiple from Cusack. Weird.'"
not weird just facts!!, he is a useful replacement but nothing more, cussack on the other hand is a SOO etc real deal player
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| Quote ="GODS UNDERTAKER"not weird just facts!!, he is a useful replacement but nothing more, cussack on the other hand is a SOO etc real deal player'"
Don't think cusack ever played SOO. He's a good workhorse prop, nothing more, nothing less
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| Quote ="GODS UNDERTAKER"is that bad?? what about all the other stuff he does that isnt in the stats??'"
James Graham this year has done 6.6 metres and Peacock 7.2 - last year Moa did 8.2 (on harder grounds)
Not sure what that proves - probably that 7 out of 9 statistics are misleading.
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| Quote ="downtheante"James Graham this year has done 6.6 metres and Peacock 7.2 - last year Moa did 8.2 (on harder grounds)
Not sure what that proves - probably that 7 out of 9 statistics are misleading.'"
Maybe your stats misleading?
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Don't think cusack ever played SOO. He's a good workhorse prop, nothing more, nothing less'"
Think he was in the Country but not State of Origin
Four GFs (one permiership winner), World Club Challenge winner
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| Quote ="Dibs XIII"Maybe your stats misleading?
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purely by accident you understand...
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| Quote ="downtheante"purely by accident you understand...
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Approx only 1 in 10 stats are accidental, the rest show what the person wants them to!
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| Quote ="downtheante"Think he was in the Country but not State of Origin
Four GFs (one =#0040BFpermiership winner), World Club Challenge winner'"
That might have been Long?
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| After last nights performance let no one be critical of Cussack again, it was only his aggresive manner and his big carries that got us going when he came on, and a massive hit on Coley as his first one of the match, cussack was outstanding last night ....
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| Quote ="GODS UNDERTAKER"After last nights performance let no one be critical of Cussack again, it was only his aggresive manner and his big carries that got us going when he came on, and a massive hit on Coley as his first one of the match, cussack was outstanding last night ....'"
Maybe as a tribute you could do him the honour of learning how to spell his name then?
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| Right, I quite like Cusack. he doesn't set the world alight, but I think he's a pretty solid defender and should be in the starting line-up.
Although I don't feel the same way now, in the preseason I thought that we should two out of Cusack, Radford and Dowes, so, a few games into the season, I thought I'd compare their stats.
EDITED TO INCLUDE O'MELEY, IN ORDER TO COMPARE OUT 4 FIRST-CHOICE PROPS.
Metres per carry.
Cusack: 363m/60= [u6.05m[/u
Radford: 651m/51= [u6.5m[/u
Dowes: 512m/72= [u7.11m[/u
O'Meley: 568m/73= [u7.78m[/u
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Cusack: [u21.6[/u
Radford: [u22.25[/u
Dowes:[u 24.8[/u
O'Meley: [u20.2[/u
Missed Tackles.
Cusack: [u3[/u
Radford: [u2[/u
Dowes: [u8[/u
O'Meley: [u5[/u
Tackle Busts.
Cusack: [u1[/u
Radford: [u4[/u
Dowes: [u5[/u
O'Meley: [u4[/u
Clean Breaks.
Cusack: [u1[/u
Radford: [u1[/u
Dowes: [u0[/u
O'Meley: [u2[/u
It should be noted that Radford has played one less game than the rest, which is why I have worked out average tackles per match.
These stats are for the first five games. [url=http://superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1=2010&hp1=1172&hs2=2010&hp2=274&stat=tries&season=2010Link to stats source.[/url
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| apart from the 8 missed tackles which could in effect lead to 8 tries.
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| Quote ="hullbg"apart from the 8 missed tackles which could in effect lead to 8 tries.'"
If anyone wonders what this post was about, it's in response to my initial comment "Looks pretty good on Dowes, I'd say.", before I edited it to include O'meley.
And yeah, I agree.
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| Great workrate from O'Meley seeing as he spends less time on the pitch than the others
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