100%, in fact I think he'd stomach a 25% loss to just walk away, but hey ho, he's still the messiah in some eyes and it's all our fault for not throwing good money after bad.

If Hull FC were a restaurant, serving up poor food in a dull environment, luke warm coffee with salt instead of sugar, would people still say "keep paying, or it will close"... it's a buyers market when it comes to entertainment/leisure.

I think he's still hoping to get the success he craves so that he can turn things around and walk away with a profit. After all, he had several failures and was under pressure to sack Peter Taylor at City before he turned things around and saw Ap walk away with a tidy profit.

To be fair the field of professional sports has always been a special case and the loyalty to the brand has always been stronger in it. I respect the fact that people are loyal to Hull FC and prepared to spend their hard earned cash even when they're not been served up value for money.
What I find hard to accept is when those that have a different value system are pilloried for it. They should be shown the same respect for their views as those who still choose to financially support the club.

pearson got his faults no doubt but still think hes invested a lot of his time and money in the club and for now has my backing

Fair post. Of course everyone is entitled to thier opinion and may chose to do what they please with thier hard earned cash. The problem arises when thier opinion is constantly pushed down other peoples throats and then respond by pilloring others for thier own opposite opinions, if that makes sense.
Not a good comparison, I admit, when "He who shall not be named" at The Dark Side, was reportedly funding his club to the tune of £500,000 a year, supposedly, then went on to say "unless we can attract alternative investment, I am genuinely thinking of leaving" there was no resultant hoohah, the same as we are experiencing????????????????

There was no Hoohah because we all realised the seriousness of him walking away. To be fair to Hudge he did have 'runs on the board' from where we where when he took over to where we where at the time of his statement and a lot more recent memories of the club being on the brink.

I'd say the worrying thing for FC is not just the renewal of passes but more the addition of x number of passes to break even to AP's satisfaction. Reading between the lines he cannot run the club with the finances equal to what they were this year, so that needs a step change in income going forward. What level of success would see this happen, top 4, GF appearance, cup final??. The 1st 2 will be extremely difficult to achieve a year after finishing so far off the pace, the last one is always possible but again is far from a certainty.

I'd say more worryingly for Pearson is even if you get a reasonable level of success (Top 6 and a decent super 8 performance) is will that be worth much more to him?

results bring in more supporters in more or less any sport, we start well and I think the support will start to come back, but we have to start well, imo with the players we have I think we can

We're lead to believe that part of FC's tenancy agreement is that the SMC fund 3000 passes? Has this become a bone of contention between AP and the Allams? Can they rewrite the tenancy agreement , in light of what's happened with the Council's recent court case???????????????? Hence his push for pass sales?

No comparison at all. Hudge did not blame the supporters. Did not try and blackmail them into buying passes. Saying the same thing each year. Pearson has annoyed many of your own supporters. Hudge merely said he did not want to continue paying out to the tune of £500,000 per year and was looking for further investment. How could he attract investment unless he said he needed it? Your club appears to be in a financial mess with falling sponsorship and attendances, information supplied by Pearson himself. Your response is to try and deflect attention from this mess by erroneously comparing the situation with a different scenario at another club. Well done, it must make you feel a lot better trying to show that KR is in the same financial mess as FC.

Read the post, I wrote "not a good comparison, I admit". I'm not trying to deflect anything onto anyone. Hate to admit it but I'm a secret admirer of "He who shall not be named" for his dedication and support of his team. We could do with a few like minded sponsors at FC. We've got enough knee jerk responders of our own on this board, without you chiming in. Sorry for any offence caused.

if it makes you feel the dobbins arnt in financial trouble by commenting on fc then by all means go on,

If FC were a restaurant you'd just go to the restaurant across the street. Where are you going to go to watch rugby? KR , Donny , Wakey? You've made an emotional - and financial - investment in Hull FC and that makes it way different to any other "buyers market".
I agree though what Pearson is saying , like food from a poor restaurant , sticks in the throat!

We are in the best financial position since the back to back championship team of the 83 and 84 seasons.The best news is yet to be disclosed,thanks for your concern anyway and always remember what goes around,comes around,and maybe now it has.

If a club paying a peppercorn rent, Super League funding, 7,500 gates and playing more games than most other teams, can't make money, our problems are trivialised in comparison.

I think you'll find the majority of RL clubs are in financial trouble just with different levels of nervousness about the major backer where the cash is coming from. Financially this will probably be our best year since promotion with the CF money but I reckon it'll still be a loss which is always worrying.

The thing is that as fans we will never know how bad that trouble is until it goes bang. You've got AP saying that its a bad situation and I think the comparison with NH was a good comparison just that they are approaching it in a different manner. NH's was a rallying call to investors with a byline to let the fans know it was bad, Ap has addressed the fans with a byline to investors.

Bottom line is I think we all realise that RL is never a game where anyone is going to make big bucks off the back of it.

I'm beginning to warm to you, but that doesn't mean we're engaged, or anything, plus I'll always dislike your pestilential club

fair comment barham

Well that's pretty clear, but why did you think anything that comes out of the HDM is accurate and how did you get to your £2.5M less income over that period? because even with a 1,000 per match average drop over 4 years that still wouldn't tally up, not even close.
FYI I took the attendances straight from the club which obvs includes pass sales, attending or not it doesn't matter as the income is in the bag either way.
We also had the biggest attendance for the derby game at the KC this year since before 2011, it was 2,403 up on last year in fact, 750 more than 2011.
I'm sick of all this BS being spun, passes have increased in price since 2011 and with the aggregate attendance only dropping off 3% since that time plus all the extra money from the cup games in 2013 this massive drop off in income from fans through the door over said 4 year period is !

Isn't the sky money going up significantly this year too due to the new contract? Another £400k per club per year from memory.

1k per match per year for 4 years adds up to 10k (4*1k+3*1k+2*1k+1*1k).
So, over the 4 year period, the equivalent of 10k people didn't attend a single game.
In pass sales that could be as much as £2.5.
If attendances have only gone down by 3% then I'll stick with the HDM figures.

You need to go back to school and learn some basic maths.
Aggregate attendaces, that's how many actually were counted by THE CLUB each year, if you don't believe me you can check it for yourself except you couldn't be d and are now making yourself look foolish.

Here you go
[u2011[/u 12513, 10422, 11032, 11856, 11346, 19754, 11933, 11274, 11139, 11699, 11729, 10739, 16121 Agg 161,557
[u2012[/u 12710, 10096, 11105, 10705, 11673, 18979, 11549, 11677, 11727, 11412, 10776, 10769, 11607 Agg 154,515
[u2013[/u 10952, 10712, 11852, 19064, 10065, 11403, 11490, 11901, 10000, 10986, 10500, 11180, 11250 Agg 151,355
[u2014[/u 10178, 11307, 10386, 9821, 9515, 9538, 10088, 10539, 12328, 9959, 10214. 18104, 11964 Agg 143,891
[u2015[/u 12002, 10887, 20507, 11994, 9295, 9930, 9385, 10320, 9558, 10949, 10787, 10649, 9322, 10832 Agg 156,417
We had two home play off games, one in 2012, the other in 2013, we did not have a play off game in 2011 so we had that extra income (not included in pass sales rememeber!) & actually the aggregate was higher in 2012 than 2011. And yes we have had the extra home game included in the pass this year but I never once said this wasn't the case.
If you can't accept the facts that's your problem and you're in denial that certain people are making stuff up, keep beleiving in their fairy stories!

So we've lost 10,000 fans per game? Are you pearson's business adviser

If we are that skint, would we run an under 23s side?

You're as bad as bumpy - read what I said.

We've lost 10k fans over a period of 4 years for every single game.

1k down 4 years ago means a total of 4k didn't go over a period of 4 years to every game.
Another 1k down 3 years ago means 3k didn't go over a period of 3 years to every game.
etc

Adds up to a total of 10k didn't go over a 4 year period to every single game.

And if bumpy is reading this, I was replying to your comment...



so you need to go back to school and learn how to read.

Hope you don't feel too foolish, but you must be used to it by now.

The problem is Pearson forgets we have been here longer than him, some more than others. Look at the team we had under Agar, it was pitiful to watch. Yet here we are years down the line with another clown in charge. I really don't want to be pessimistic but the majority of fans are walking cause of the coach, the new signings look great but if the captain of the ship should really be down in the galley cooking breakfast then the whole job is b%ll%ed.
As someone has already said if you brought a top coach in tomorrow he would sell a couple of thousand passes without even opening his mouth.
Look at Cas, man for man who would you swap from our team, not many, yet they consistently perform at a much higher level and compete with an inferior team. That's because they have a coach