Fitz has played 13 every week, but we, FC, play our 13 as a 3rd prop. That is Agars way, I don't agree with that, I prefer a ball playing 13 and think we score more points with a ball playing 13.

however he is coach and your not..

Unfortunately you are right, but I would like you to consider that I like to play expansive, attractive rugby like Warrington, so if there is a coaching job out there give me a shout!

Fitz wasn't named at 13 against Bradford, Westerman was. We played essentially the same as we always do. Just on Sunday Tickle was running the middle channel that Fitz normally does.

Use the contact a director link, given your posts i am sure they will have a spot for you mate

Finally someone who actually sees what happens!

Would you like to be my assistant when I get the job?

Who was first receiver? There was times (especially early on in the season) when Fitz would be it numerous times an attack.

Westy appeared to play the majority of the game down the right hand side channel in the 2nd rowers position. His natural game is to pass the ball about and show off his skills, it doesn't necessarily mean he was playing at LF, just that he plays that position alot differently to Ticks.

With Manu playing the left hand channel, it left Tickle, Moa, Fitz, O'Meley, Lauaki and Dowes rotating in the three prop positions that Agar utilises.

I think the OP is right in what he is saying, but not sure on what point he's trying to prove though.

Obst or Horne, mostly. The Fitz thing gets blown out of proportion he rarely gets the ball and passes, unless its late at the line like ogre. The few times it happens it us painfully slow, mind.
Westerman played excellently as a right sided pivot type second rower. But he didn't play it from down the middle like a conventional loose forward.
I think Westy down the right and Manu down the left is an excellent 2nd row partnership.

Horne or Obst were usually 1st receiver! I think when Fitz does step in there he is trying to do a job that isn't his, but in a way that he is trying 2 lead the team being the captain and warrior that he is.

You are spot on, this is when we look very dangerous. Tickle is an excellent 2nd rower but I think he is more suited to running his excellent lines around the ruck rather than out wide.

You are totally spot on! And I am just making the point that some people on here claim to know everything but are missing things straight in front of their eyes!

Tickle does that anyway, which is why our right side rarely produces much. Tickle can be our Gallen when Fitz goes.

Plus they are not as comfortable passing that way. Tbh whatever the make up of the three it's a good combination for next season. I would personally like to Westy played at 13 with the freedom to roam as he could do more damage and have Manu left and another backrower on the right. That way Tickle could play prop.

mark flanagan?

Are you his agent ??

now that would be telling

So to recap, the OP thinks Agar named Westerman at 13 in order to get the fans off his back? Riiiiight.

Also if we only ever use our LF as a 3rd prop why the **** would you want Westerman to play there?

Just because Westerman did most of his work on the right it doesn't mean he wasn't playing a LF forward type "role"

As for Fitz he played as a prop on Sunday. He was standing in the prop position for every restart of play, but then I guess that was also part of Agar's masterplan to "fool" the fans.

Not only the fans off his back, some other, more important people aswell!

I want Westerman to play there because I want a ball playing 13, not a 3rd prop. And because he did 99% of his play on the right he was not playing a 13 'role', he was just playing like a modern back rower, e.g Manu.

And Fitzy plays the same way every week, does pretty much the same things in attack and defence each week as that's what he does, 99% of the time at 13, sometimes possibly as a prop.

I knew it wouldn't be long before you arrived!

No ones denying Fitz played prop, at least I'm not.
A ball handling 13 plays from the middle and runs both sides, Westerman didn't, he played from the right and stayed right. If that's a LF role then it could just as easily be called a HB role too.

Like who?

spot on again i thought we where ending this debate

going by whats hes saying then we have 2 loose forward ROLES in westy and manu

Have we actually confirmed agar has a mind?

still been investigated ill let you know when the results come back to me