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| Any fan collection taking place then, as I would like to make a contribution seen as Agar said what needed to be said?
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| Not much to say really, he had his say and will now pay the fine.
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| Just been told the RFL did not impose the amount, they just said to Hull its equivalent of his seasons wages
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| Quote ="Buzz Bomb"Any fan collection taking place then, as I would like to make a contribution seen as Agar said what needed to be said?'"
I would as well. 6 grand is a lot of money for just speaking the truth!
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| Child was an absolute disgrace in that game. Any news on our official complaint ?
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| If Agar does a sponsored walk, I'd happily support that. Providing it was 50 miles, due East of the KC and he was wearing concrete wellies and a lead hat
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| £6k, £3k suspended, got off lightly, as thought, no details released.
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| Quote ="Standee"£6k, £3k suspended, got off lightly, as thought, no details released.'"
In what way did he get off lightly ?
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"In what way did he get off lightly ?'"
given that the details of why it was a double charge haven't been made public, and the RFL nor Hull FC will make any fruther comment, I guess some people will never know for certain.
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| I to thought he got off lightly, thought he would get a ban along with the fine.
Anyhow, you can understand why Agar said the things he did but sadly I will doubt it will have any affect on referee performances, as you witnessed against Saints this previous weekend.
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| Quote ="Standee"given that the details of why it was a double charge haven't been made public, and the RFL nor Hull FC will make any fruther comment, I guess some people will never know for certain.'"
Or maybe he was only found guilty of 1 charge.
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Or maybe he was only found guilty of 1 charge.'"
No idea, they obviously aren't going to comment, I see no reason why the people who saw other incidents would lie, but I can see why the RFL would avoid the whole issue if involved parties were happy to do so.
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| Quote ="Standee"given that the details of why it was a double charge haven't been made public, and the RFL nor Hull FC will make any fruther comment, I guess some people will never know for certain.'"
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| Quote ="Hutchie"Big carpet at Red hall ;icon_smile.gif'"
indeed, is it as nice as the one at KR though?
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| I am amased how much the RFL have fined Agar and think it is a tad unfair.All Agar was saying was what we were all thinking anyway.It is the RFL who cause the problem by employing numptys on and off the field anyway and that is why they are a laughing stock in the sporting world.They really should look closer to home and get there act together and start listening to the grievances of coach's,players and fans alike instead of cracking the whip.It seems that nothing has been done about the performance of Child and that the RFL have yet again just swept it under the carpet.It will be intresting to see if anything becomes of the outbursts of Morgan and Brown about referee performances but they are that inconsistent with there decision making policy's,it would not surprise me one bit if it went unnoticed.
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| That is all you are ever going to hear publically anything else will have been done behind closed doors. The fine is in line with previous judgements handed down and sends out a clear message about abusing officials. Players at the youngest level are taught to respect the officials, our sport has a good record on this, we are not football. The club has its own channel of complaint and that should have been used in this case and any others that crop up from time to time. Whilst I can understand Richards outburst in regard to the Mr Childs ability to ref the game, I can and will not condone it he knows the rules. All the outburst did was make it nearly impossible for the RFL to take action against Mr Childs. The RFL have left the carpet lumpy for sure, but perhaps for all the best reasons in this case we do not need to know all the facts surrounding the case.
Perhaps everyone will learn a lesson from it and move on now.
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| Quote ="Raised Elbow"I am amased how much the RFL have fined Agar and think it is a tad unfair.All Agar was saying was what we were all thinking anyway.It is the RFL who cause the problem by employing numptys on and off the field anyway and that is why they are a laughing stock in the sporting world.They really should look closer to home and get there act together and start listening to the grievances of coach's,players and fans alike instead of cracking the whip.It seems that nothing has been done about the performance of Child and that the RFL have yet again just swept it under the carpet.It will be intresting to see if anything becomes of the outbursts of Morgan and Brown about referee performances but they are that inconsistent with there decision making policy's,it would not surprise me one bit if it went unnoticed.'"
I agree your sentiments but the rfl are hardly going to agree with Agar and let him off are they? Question is what would you do about the current situation? Employ new refs? New controller? Pay them more ? Pay them less? Go back to part time? Have two refs? Whatever it is that needs doing an outburst by a coach however justified isn't going to resolve anything. The clubs have the ability to force the changes but seem reluctant to do so. Never quite understood why. Perhaps it's because as soon as a referee is criticised "you do it then" is always thrown back.
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| Quote ="Ian P"we do not need to know all the facts surrounding the case.
Perhaps everyone will learn a lesson from it and move on now.'"
Indeed, there wasn't a lot to be gained by releasing further detail.
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| Quote ="ChrisH"I agree your sentiments but the rfl are hardly going to agree with Agar and let him off are they? Question is what would you do about the current situation? Employ new refs? New controller? Pay them more ? Pay them less? Go back to part time? Have two refs? Whatever it is that needs doing an outburst by a coach however justified isn't going to resolve anything. The clubs have the ability to force the changes but seem reluctant to do so. Never quite understood why. Perhaps it's because as soon as a referee is criticised "you do it then" is always thrown back.'"
I think the problem is the lack of top refs and at the moment they are not going to please everyone all the time but it all comes down to a lack of consistency which seems to be the major the problem.The RFL have had plenty of time to sort it out but i do agree it wont be sorted out overnight.Maybe they should open up some kind of refs acadamy and stop tinkering with the bylaws of the game every season, putting added pressures on the refs and confusing everyone else.
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| Quote ="Ian P"That is all you are ever going to hear publically anything else will have been done behind closed doors. The fine is in line with previous judgements handed down and sends out a clear message about abusing officials. Players at the youngest level are taught to respect the officials, our sport has a good record on this, we are not football. The club has its own channel of complaint and that should have been used in this case and any others that crop up from time to time. Whilst I can understand Richards outburst in regard to the Mr Childs ability to ref the game, I can and will not condone it he knows the rules. All the outburst did was make it nearly impossible for the RFL to take action against Mr Childs. The RFL have left the carpet lumpy for sure, but perhaps for all the best reasons in this case we do not need to know all the facts surrounding the case.
Perhaps everyone will learn a lesson from it and move on now.'"
Well said Ian.
No matter how bad a coach or club thinks a referee is, there is a clear method for making their feelings known. Publicly slating an official in an abusive manner is bringing the game into disrepute and cannot be condoned or even ignored, no matter what the circumstances.
It is a problem recruiting and developing referees anyway, public abuse from a Superleague coach will not help that matter at all. What right does any speccie, club official or player think they have to personally abuse any referee?
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| Quote ="Raised Elbow"I think the problem is the lack of top refs and at the moment they are not going to please everyone all the time but it all comes down to a lack of consistency which seems to be the major the problem.The RFL have had plenty of time to sort it out but i do agree it wont be sorted out overnight.Maybe they should open up some kind of refs acadamy and stop tinkering with the bylaws of the game every season, putting added pressures on the refs and confusing everyone else.'"
What about consistency from players & coaches?
When are they going to consistently play by the rules and avoid making forward passes, knock-ons etc etc etc?
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Well said Ian.
No matter how bad a coach or club thinks a referee is, there is a clear method for making their feelings known. Publicly slating an official in an abusive manner is bringing the game into disrepute and cannot be condoned or even ignored, no matter what the circumstances.
It is a problem recruiting and developing referees anyway, public abuse from a Superleague coach will not help that matter at all. What right does any speccie, club official or player think they have to personally abuse any referee?'"
depends if you abuse him for his performance, or his lifestyle choices.
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| Quote ="Standee"depends if you abuse him for his performance, or his lifestyle choices.'"
Neither are acceptable
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Neither are acceptable'"
of course it is acceptable to bemoan a woeful performance for someone supposedly qualifies in the art of refereeing, Child ruined that game and as a paying spectator I have every right to tell him my thoughts, if you have a bad meal in a restaurant you can refuse to pay at the end, at the KC, once you're in, you're f'd!
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| Quote ="Standee"got off lightly'"
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