OOOh errrr all I can say to that is you lucky fella

Of course he has, be careful though if he doesn't like what you say, he will avert to name calling (Clueless or a someones puppet), as he is isn't adult enough to carry on a discussion without this kind of reaction.

I think we discussed Thompson & Hadley a couple of weeks ago.

Tinkerman likes Tommo which is fine, it's his opinion, but baring the odd game where he's stood out (Salford away where he scored two for instance) I've yet to witness what he sees in him. His lack of consistency and weaknesses in defence (mainly positioning) are the reasons why he's so far down in the pecking order. It's not just what we see from the stands, but the stats back this up too. Basically, his negatives outweigh the positives at the moment.

Of course, Tinker is right in that there's still improvement in him at 26.

I think the Thompson v Turgut debate will be for this season only.

At the mo theres nothing really between them, Turgut has the better all round game and fresh out of reserve rugby has shown heaps of improvement at elite level.
Tommo flatters do deceive, we know he's capable of good things, sometimes v good, and when he sees a gap he can be a threat.
But time's running out I think. I just hope he manages to get his mojo back and start cutting through their line, which is his biggest asset as our most pacey forward. But not just for one game, one is not enough for him, us, or Radders I dare say.

So for me theres a fag paper between them right now and i'd be happy with either tonight.

But looking forward, time will favour Turgut. He's made leaps of improvement and if he can keep that rate of improvement, next year we'll be comparing him with a more established player. I hope so. Thats what we all want.

For Tommo, Well I would love for him to rip it up tonight and start his own run of consistently good performances. He'll have to if he wants to be a regular in this FC 17. But best start soon son if you want that B&W jersey on a regular basis.
Good Luck to both.

What it does highlight is how difficult resting key players is going to be.

Wouldn't mind if id made out Thompson was world class, but hes no way as far down the pecking as you and others make out, and he shouldnt be, offers more than hadley and turgut from the bench imo. But like CCS as mentioned, does highlight lack of quality on our bench and fringe players imo. Your way to sensitive if been called a puppet offends, you didnt deny it

I think Dave's point wasn't him being sensitive, more that if whilst having a debate one side resorts to childish name calling, then having a debate with that person is probably futile.

when all are fit Thompson wont be in the 17 imo, Hadley will be back in and can see turgut pushing hard plus theres matongo who I can see getting in the squad this year

Never said it offended me, I work with young kids most days and this is what I expect of a 12 year old child, just find it a bit boring and pathetic that a grown man/women needs to resort to this and still carry it on.

But you crack on, looks like there are a few clueless people on here, although it seems you are in the minority which makes you think....

Thats not whats happened, so cant be what he means. To imply I make childish comments is very offensive, I'm hurt. Turgut as made 5 sl appereance I think, non of which have been memorable, until I see more, I'm not buying all this excitement over him, Ive heard it all before from the same posters about, btw, htw, hadley, westerman etc etc , I hope he is the next Gareth Ellis, but after 5 games and a few warm up matches, I dont know hes better than Thompson, and neither does anyone here, because you've not seen enough of him at sl level, so in that regard you are clueless, because nobody knows

You realise I haven't said Turgut is better than Thompson, don't you?

Let's never play a young player every again as us fans haven't seen them play then. If fans were suggesting Turgut replace Manu then. Would understand, but he would be replacing a player who has been average for 18 months, was our worst forward against Wakey and outperformed in friendlies by Turgut.

Right this has been done to death, I'm going to put £5 on Thompson for MOTM

Nobody has, have they?

Miniority , what 2 or 3 posters, what youll probably find is that most posters dont have an opinion on turgut because havnt seen enough of him, unlike yourself who must be part of the hull fc performance team. Carry on like what Dave, disagreeing with you, makes me laugh when im accused of not been able to have a debate! Just admit it, you havnt got a clue if Turgut will make it as a first teamer, like the rest of us, we see potential and hope he really does make it, but like many that have come before, it just doesnt happen for whatever reason.

Yes , sorry, wasnt really directed at you

Think youll find Washbrook was if your going of meters made. Waste of a fiver imo

Not if you include missed tackles

Don't mind the disagreeing, but you aren't getting anyone point, nobody is saying that Turgut will make it or he is better than Thompson, which you keep saying, but the fact is Thompson has been poor and Turgut has impressed in training and pre season and maybe could take his place and it would not be as bad a decision as you made out.

And Thompson hasnt been as poor as you make out. I get the point perfectly , just think its a stupid point on what anyone as seen of Turgut so far

At this stage of the season I would go with Thompson, does he miss some tackles, yes, did he make a massive chunk more tackles than our outgoing marquee player, yes, does he make a fair few tackle busts, yes, precisely two less than our outgoing marquee player, was he a utility back when he came to the club, yes, is he effectively now used down the middle as an extra prop cum 2nd rower, yes.
Does he get far more flak than is justified, yes.
Will Turgut usurp him this season or further down the line and carry on his progression , no bleeding idea but right now Thompson is a bit more than just a "fag paper" in front of him IMHO.
All that said it matters not, if Radford picks Turgut then it'll be because of a specific reason, we can then only hope that Turgut gets on with that role, does it effectively and does himself justice with respect to the potential that has being spoken about him.

Knowing the queues we normally get at the South and East stand entrances, I think I might just get in at 7.30 tonight.

Thursday night, 13,000 !!! Wind and rain, people turning up last minute,

I fear a scanner meltdown. lol

bloomin cold, set of at bit earlier, COYH

Summer Rugby eh! the Full Backs are going to be in for a tough night with the bombs

Stupid penalties, Taylor's especially and now they're level.

Danny Houghton tackle on Moa, get in