Sometimes it's difficult to be sure whether players are not producing their best, or whether they weren't quite as good as first thought and are merely operating at a level which they can best attain. I'm struggling to think, for example, of any players that have left Hull for other clubs and gone on to be far better than they were here.

FWIW our team has been poor the last 2 or 3 years in the main due to to an absence of a settled and capable half back pairing. Many other players' performances live or die by the quality of halves in the team IMO.

And i aspire to be top. I'm not happy that there are 3 teams above us based on the fact that we're 4th and have played average rugby a lot. Imagine where we could be if we played well.

i think we have done ok considering the injury situation.long term we have missed our 1st choice 2,6,7 as well as o'meley at the moment,and also we lost manu,berro, for a number of weeks.leeds were struggling without sinfield(and thats just 1 player).saints are now without eastmond for the rest of the season,and pryce is doubtful.wigan(1) and wire(2) have relatively got away with it injury wise.

I fully understand that it doesnt help to have injuries. I've witnessed Leeds and Saints for example play a lot better rugby than us even with their kids in.

I've said it for a couple of seasons now, we consistently under perform and there are no excuses for it to the extent that it happens.

Interesting, what makes you think we underperform? Like Staffs FC said


Maybe we just produce what we're capable of. ATM we've (IMO) got about the 6th best squad in SL yet are 4th and we should be very happy with that but look to build on it next year and the year after.

The standard of performance that i watch.



That combined with the fact that we never hammer anyone, we often get beat by teams below us in the league who we shouldnt lose to and we narrowly scrape victories in certain games where a performance is required. I can count on one hand Outstanding performances in the last 3-4 seasons. We aren't clinical. We aren't ruthless. Mentally we're so far behind Leeds, Wigan and Saints it's unbelievable.

Agreed. We usually seem to compete well against the big teams but either scrape past or lose to teams we should hammer.

And to me that's why agar will never be a top class coach. He isn't a winner

Are you taking the pizz?

Have we competed in the games against leeds and wigan this season?

players missing against them,as the same against wire,even tho we played well.2 games against saints wer'nt bad tho

Lots of people on here believe that we should be judged on our league table position today. Most of those do not believe that we are genuine contenders for silverware this year. I think that those pessimistic soles amongst us , me included , are probably surprised at our position in the table , pleasantly so , but, like those supporters happy with that 4th spot , also don't believe that we'll win anything. Where the opinions diverge is re the future. I cannot see us improving at a greater rate than the teams above us or those around us. Indeed I see Wigan , Leeds and Saints improving faster. Wire may also get ahead of us and a number of others will be similar to us. If that's the way it pans out then we will continue to compete for 4th , 5th , 6th place for years to come. I want to have a real prospect of getting to finals and hopefully winning something in the next 2/3 years. It would be interesting to see what price bookies would put on all of the SL teams re their chances of silverware in the next 5 years. I can't imagine any would have us any higher than 4th favourite and perhaps more likely joint 4th 5th 6th 7th and 8th favourites. As a team with everything going fantastically well off the field , with probably the best stadium and a great and loyal fanbase I think that we should really be aiming to be being bracketed with the likes of Leeds Saints and Wigan over the next few years as favourites. The bookies and most pundits don't think that we'll compete because they cannot see any signs of that improvement we need or of the recruitment strategy that will really see our odds for success shorten.
We have no right to win anything. We will only ever be as good as the 17 we put on the pitch. I just believe that with everything in place as it has been for 2 or 3 years we really ought to be worrying the bookies and be a much shorter price for success in the next 2 or 3 years than we appear to be. Why not , why can't /shouldn't we be competing? Maybe we will?????? We most certainly should be.

Sums it up very well for me. Also worth noting we are the most expensive team in SL to watch

another example.

Why didn't he play last night?

Saving himself for thursday

wouldnt bother selecting him, big pudding

pick a local lad who knows what derbies are all about, at least he'll show some guts

Maybe you'll get your wish??

I agree, waste of space. Moa offers far more impact and quality for no doubt much cheaper pay.

Far from a waste of space just played all wrong. Needs to be running onto the ball and doing what he does best.

doesn't look fit to me, and has either been a penalty machine or anonymous all season.

everyone slated Hutch Maivia, but I really don't see a vast difference in Lauaki.

See Radford for penalty machine. I agree he has not looked fit and looks disinterested for the most part. However he can do it and we have seen glimpses, why he is not doing it is another reason though.

Quote ="hullbg"See Radford for penalty machine. I agree he has not looked fit and looks disinterested for the most part. However he can do it and we have seen glimpses, why he is not doing it is another reason though.'" www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2010

Quote ="hullbg"See Radford for penalty machine. I agree he has not looked fit and looks disinterested for the most part. However he can do it and we have seen glimpses, why he is not doing it is another reason though.'" www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2010

Radford has given away far more than 14 penalties this season however if you are going to use those stats as gospel then 1 penalty a game is hardly a penalty machine now is it.

The one stat on the SL site that is pretty spot on due to the lack of ambiguity about whether a penalty was given or not is the penalty one. Radford doesnt give many away at all. Lauaki doesnt either even though he has the reputation that he does.