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| Quote ="Kosh"You weren't using it as an excuse, but the poster I replied to was.
FWIW I tend to agree with you. IMO Morgan's main strength as a coach is the ability to squeeze the maximum possible performance out of 'average' players.'"
I agree while Agar can get the average out of the very best players
No one has tried to explain how we finished above rovers, with them supposedly having the best coach, and hull apparently only having two players they would take off us. back to original post.
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| Quote ="barham red"A thin squad is by definition poor, not saying the players in it are poor just the make up of the team.
The whole idea of a squad is to cover for any likely eventuality. Its a risk analysis based exercise.
ie. cover the key areas and any areas that are likely to need to be covered if a player is say susceptable to injury.
Your squad doesn't have that cover, if you get your first 17 out I agree its a good team, past that and any key position and its a struggle wthout major shuffles to cover, I personally think that makes it a poor squad.'"
so your fantastic squad and excellent coach should finish a good 10pts above our poor squad,is that what you're predicting
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| I would certainly have Briscoe and Houghton, I would also have O'Meley and Fitzgibbon as well. Whiting is a good player to have in your squad to cover a few positions, similar to Cockayne for us. I think that of the rest, we have equal to or better at the moment. I would take Morgan over Agar anyday, not because he is the greatest coach, but as a few have said on here, he gets the best out of players and has created a great team spirit at the club.
I honestly don't know if Wheeldon is any better than he was at Hull as i don't watch Hull enough to judge, but I would hazard a guess that Hodgson is, mainly because he now has a lot more SL games under his belt. Briscoe has been good for us, as he was for you, but if memory serves me you had him on the wing a lot which is a waste of a talented full back IMO. Hall is work in progress, I was one that thought he isn't good enough to get in the 17, but we will need to see if his defence improves under Morgan, Whelam was awful in his first season, but now is a solid defender.
Overall, there isn't that much between us, I think it will come down to the half backs on Sunday, the packs will cancel each out and we might just shade your backs if we get enough ball out to them.
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| Quote ="rover49"I would certainly have Briscoe and Houghton, I would also have O'Meley and Fitzgibbon as well. Whiting is a good player to have in your squad to cover a few positions, similar to Cockayne for us. I think that of the rest, we have equal to or better at the moment. I would take Morgan over Agar anyday, not because he is the greatest coach, but as a few have said on here, he gets the best out of players and has created a great team spirit at the club.
I honestly don't know if Wheeldon is any better than he was at Hull as i don't watch Hull enough to judge, but I would hazard a guess that Hodgson is, mainly because he now has a lot more SL games under his belt. Briscoe has been good for us, as he was for you, but if memory serves me you had him on the wing a lot which is a waste of a talented full back IMO. Hall is work in progress, I was one that thought he isn't good enough to get in the 17, but we will need to see if his defence improves under Morgan, Whelam was awful in his first season, but now is a solid defender.
Overall, there isn't that much between us, I think it will come down to the half backs on Sunday, the packs will cancel each out and we might just shade your backs if we get enough ball out to them.'"
You don't have 4 props better than moa and manu would bring a dimension to your back row which you don't currently have
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"You don't have 4 props better than moa and manu would bring a dimension to your back row which you don't currently have'"
I said 'equal to or better' and I don't think he is better than Vella, Clinton or Watts.
Manu is ok, but I think we are ok in that department, especially if a certain 'Tongan' gets his ar$e in gear
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| Quote ="rover49"I would certainly have Briscoe and Houghton, I would also have O'Meley and Fitzgibbon as well. Whiting is a good player to have in your squad to cover a few positions, similar to Cockayne for us. I think that of the rest, we have equal to or better at the moment. I would take Morgan over Agar anyday, not because he is the greatest coach, but as a few have said on here, he gets the best out of players and has created a great team spirit at the club.
I honestly don't know if Wheeldon is any better than he was at Hull as i don't watch Hull enough to judge, but I would hazard a guess that Hodgson is, mainly because he now has a lot more SL games under his belt. Briscoe has been good for us, as he was for you, but if memory serves me you had him on the wing a lot which is a waste of a talented full back IMO. Hall is work in progress, I was one that thought he isn't good enough to get in the 17, but we will need to see if his defence improves under Morgan, Whelam was awful in his first season, but now is a solid defender.
Overall, there isn't that much between us, I think it will come down to the half backs on Sunday, the packs will cancel each out and we might just shade your backs if we get enough ball out to them.'"
Agree with alot of what you said but Briscoe played the majority of his time at Hull at fullback..he only moved to the wing as cover late on in his Hull career when Motu was a better option at fullback (in my opinion)
Brisc was as good at Hull as he is at kr..
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| Briscoe has been good for us, as he was for you, but if memory serves me you had him on the wing a lot which is a waste of a talented full back IMO.From Rovers 49
I agree a strange decision to play him on the wing, a bit like Horney for GB.
I dont remember it been that many games though, i think it was Peter Sharpe showing his preferance for Motu.
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| Quote ="rover49"I said 'equal to or better' and I don't think he is better than Vella, Clinton or Watts.
Manu is ok, but I think we are ok in that department, especially if a certain 'Tongan' gets his ar$e in gear'"
moa is a better impact prop than the 3 you have listed
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"moa is a better impact prop than the 3 you have listed'"
Different players, different styles.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"moa is a better impact prop than the 3 you have listed'"
Really don't know what you see in Moa, he is so slow.
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| Quote ="joburg"Really don't know what you see in Moa, he is so slow.'"
So was the Queen Mary,but you try stopping it.
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| Quote ="barton baird"So was the Queen Mary,but you try stopping it.'"
I remember seeing Fisher skip round Moa with releative ease last season.
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| The 'impact' prop will be a thing of the past in 2012.
If Moa can't get his fitness to play 50-60 mins a game he may struggle to get a new deal with us.
Fwiw I think he be capable by the end of the year.
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| Quote ="Easty"I remember seeing Fisher skip round Moa with releative ease last season.'"
Must have been the rope that distracted him.
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| Quote ="garry brindley"You're wasting your time. You're on a thread where some people are claiming that Rich Agar is a better head coach than Justin Morgan remember.
The majority of FC fans are like Newcastle fans up until they got relegated, constantly talking about what a great big club they are, how great their players are and how next year will be their year... all the while they can't see the laugh that the board of directors are having at their expense. Unfortunately for FC, there isn't even the prospect of relegation to snap the fans out of their delusions.'"
And likewise the majority of rovers fans sit placidly, reminissing over the 1-0 over Barrow, how great was Roger Millward blah blah 10-5, Gateshull. We take 10,000 away, we are the best, look how great we are!
I actually don't think that much of our board, but you cannot argue that we are making money as a club, so they have not done a bad business job. I think it amusing that you idolise certain people at your club that helped its very downfall. But we are not allowed to talk about Rovers going insolvent are we? Where did your money go from the sale of Craven Park (the old one for the 90% of people that have no clue)? HOw did Phil Lowe do out of it? How did the creditors get along? You live in a world where you think you deserve something, you think that we were handed things on a plate? Yeah, we were. Why? Cos of you sanctimonious gimps. Noone cared when you went insolvent and they won't again.
As regards Morgan, I would take him over Agar personally, but he ain't all that. Neither is your club. Your living on handouts.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"The 'impact' prop will be a thing of the past in 2012.
If Moa can't get his fitness to play 50-60 mins a game he may struggle to get a new deal with us.
Fwiw I think he be capable by the end of the year.'"
So our 4 props will be playing 200-240 minutes a game?
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| 3 props would be more beneficial with rotations dropping to 10.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"3 props would be more beneficial with rotations dropping to 10.'"
When was that announced?
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| Quote ="hull smallears"And likewise the majority of rovers fans sit placidly, reminissing over the 1-0 over Barrow, how great was Roger Millward blah blah 10-5, Gateshull. We take 10,000 away, we are the best, look how great we are!
I actually don't think that much of our board, but you cannot argue that we are making money as a club, so they have not done a bad business job. I think it amusing that you idolise certain people at your club that helped its very downfall. But we are not allowed to talk about Rovers going insolvent are we? Where did your money go from the sale of Craven Park (the old one for the 90% of people that have no clue)? HOw did Phil Lowe do out of it? How did the creditors get along? You live in a world where you think you deserve something, you think that we were handed things on a plate? Yeah, we were. Why? Cos of you sanctimonious gimps. Noone cared when you went insolvent and they won't again.
As regards Morgan, I would take him over Agar personally, but he ain't all that. Neither is your club. Your living on handouts.'"
Great post, but I believe he is an FC fan
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Great post, but I believe he is an FC fan
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| Quote ="Easty"Rovers academy has produced Kris Welham and Morgan has to be applauded in the development of Kris Welham and Liam Watts. We've also got a player of the calibre of Kristian Bell coming through which with game time Morgan can hopefully develop and bring on to be a future 1st team player.'"
You should also mention sheriff and Cox, two excellent prospects for the future who will imo be pushing for first team places in the not to distant future .
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| Quote ="hull smallears"And likewise the majority of rovers fans sit placidly, reminissing over the 1-0 over Barrow, how great was Roger Millward blah blah 10-5, Gateshull. We take 10,000 away, we are the best, look how great we are!
I actually don't think that much of our board, but you cannot argue that we are making money as a club, so they have not done a bad business job. I think it amusing that you idolise certain people at your club that helped its very downfall. But we are not allowed to talk about Rovers going insolvent are we? Where did your money go from the sale of Craven Park (the old one for the 90% of people that have no clue)? HOw did Phil Lowe do out of it? How did the creditors get along? You live in a world where you think you deserve something, you think that we were handed things on a plate? Yeah, we were. Why? Cos of you sanctimonious gimps. Noone cared when you went insolvent and they won't again.
As regards Morgan, I would take him over Agar personally, but he ain't all that. Neither is your club. Your living on handouts.'"
Take a bow old chap
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