Fair enough. How I feel is that we'll likely finish 7th, which I'm OK with given the shortcomings in our pack we all agreed on in pre season. I feel that if we can get Kelly back (or replace him) that will help, and that Fonua, Ma'u and Jones will improve us, in addition to getting Griffin and Naulago back. I feel optimistic that we can continue at the current level but that to expect more is unrealistic unless we can galvanise and leverage our only real asset ie the fanbase. I do not feel at my lowest ebb ever as a Hull fan. All feelings and opinions that require respect and empathy I think.

I get that point about Warrington, but conversely Hull have far more resources than a club like Salford who handed us a rugby lesson a few weeks ago.

To be quite honest and fair why should they? Bombed out is just as entitled to their option and to express their views as you or anyone else on here or so you’d think. Conversely they entitled to question your views in the same way you question and try to discredit others who’s views are different to yours.
You actually come across quite condescending and hypocritical, seemingly as a self proclaimed voice of reason which you certainly are not but maybe that’s just down to your defence mechanism who knows?

There are massive issues that are not being addressed and a coach who has even stated he doesn’t know how to fix it.

Nobody’s opinions are any less valid than yours or anyone else’s you should respect that before demanding respect for yours.

Had we not been in the position we have been then to extent I’d agree with you however we’ve had a golden opportunity in front of us more than once but failed spectacularly to take. Based on every other teams performances this season we are not a 7th placed team.

I agree the new signings will indeed improve us but in terms of player quality but we will unfortunately still be stuck with the same lack of any apparent structures in place. So we just won’t see the true potential of the improvements or get the best out of the what we have.

I don’t agree that we can’t expect more or it’s untealistic and we should just accept mediocrity.

The level of performance last night against a very poor Huddersfield side is and should be unacceptable and no excuses for it.
As for galvanising the fan base I agree but again the last two home performances as they are the most recent will do nothing to do that in fact it’s doing the opposite and actually driving people away and the boos ringing out last night are evidence of that and the contempt the players and coach seem to show in the fans. AP had also made a huge clanger by stating LR has the job for as long as AP is there when he is clearly unable to solve the issues that continue to dog the performances on the field.

You go on again about wanting respect and empathy yet you seem unable to do it yourself.

I haven’t and won’t question anyone’s feelings as you can’t and as I said in the past have defended you with you negative takes on pre match views etc being empathetic to you self defence mechanism but you show little if any to anyone else with views or feelings different to yours.

Of course, but you will always get some over and under performers - Leeds being the opposite of Salford if you like.

The reality is that Leeds, Wigan, Warrington and St Helens all file full accounts due to their size - assets, turnover, number of employees. The likes of us, Cas, Rovers are exempt. It's really not that surprising that these clubs dominate in the long term. Perhaps more surprising that others threaten this group for silverware on occasion.

It's not about accepting mediocrity or defence mechanisms. It's about realism and choosing to enjoy and see positives in what in my opinion is a reasonable position currently in a season where we've made another cup semi final and have optimism for next year. I'm entitled to this view and sentiment, as you are to yours.

Hypocrisy at it's finest.
I've not disagreed or questioned your feelings merely your opinion.
I guess with so many posters disagreeing with you and calling you on your lack of empathy you're feeling a bit sensitive.
Also in regards to the highlighted text, I never said or implied that.
Other than maybe the marquee rule I will once reiterate for you, it is a salary capped sport for which we are at full cap and not as disadvantaged as you would have us believe. I am also led to believe we will be utilising the marquee rule ourselves next season, so there's another excuse gone for you.

You always highlight your perceived opposition's strengths against our weaknesses to strengthen your position and give your hypothesis grounding.
It's flakey at best and meaningless.

We are discussing performances in either a coaching or playing capacity currently after another collapse but unfortunately that does not sit with your agenda so you find it easier to discredit other posters and belittle there views.

Not discussing resources.

I genuinely find you the most divisive person on here.


And to quote someone close to you.

Where did I say you aren't allowed an opinion? I was just disagreeing with you, chill out

For a champion of empathy and respect of opinion I feel that your post is a little inflammatory, but respect your sentiment. I understand that if you don't believe that resources should provide some sort of expectation framework it could be jarring to point out that the 4 sides who file full accounts are those who completely dominate, off field infrastructure and marquee signings not withstanding.

As for being divisive, this is a forum. We're not here to agree, that would be silly. I'm entitled to feel satisfied that this has been a reasonable season in the context of previous ones, and to share that. Hopefully you can empathise with this feeling.

Your entitled to your opinion like everyone. But your clearly wrong

Thanks, means a lot.

We are not and I repeat we are not discussing resources.
They have no bearing on the game last night, the inept display on the field or the fact our coach seems unable to arrest the slump or accept his failings and seems happy to publicly slate the players once again.

[uIS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU! [/u

Feel free to comment on last night's game (the clue is in the thread title if that helps).

Look, we got into this chat in response to a comment that last nigh made a poster feel the worst they had felt in 40 years. This naturally led to others reviewing points in this time period that had made them feel worse as a comparative, e.g. bankruptcy/extinction. The resources available will always have an impact, hence the long term dominance of the 4 biggest clubs. I hope that is clear enough.

In respect of last night resources available could also been seen as missing Naulago and Griffin (both up for POTY), plus Kelly, Minichiello and Savelio. However, I think the scoreline flattered us, and Huddersfield are hardly awash with quality, so it was very disappointing. The main concern I had was less the attacking efforts and more the easy yards Huddersfield made and this underlined that swapping Paea, Westerman, Minichiello and Manu for Satae, Ma'u, Jones and Sao will be moving us in the right direction.

Still no match report on the FC website - i might be jumping to conclusions but is there a reason for this?

I’ve read most of the sentiments this morning, and the majority are from true supporters who can’t really understand how we keep under performing and dishing out such flat, uncommitted, efforts.

The unbelievable fact remains, should we have won either of the last two games, we are in second place in the league, how can this be, with our misfiring side. A very poor competition this season, and we are well and truly part of it.

Tevita looked good, whilst probably needing more game time, and Jamie pulled off some good tackles, and found a couple of killer passes, which most of us thought he was incapable of.

The absence of Griffin and Ratu was a blow, though Jack Logan did all he could.

We are a different side with Albert playing, we lack ideas in attack, although I would rate last nights performance, better than the Salford debacle.

What the hell was Connor involved in at the end of the match, he seemed to be gesticulating to a fan to come and have a go, then he walked over and seemed to smooth it over ffs.

Our coach will be under pressure now, as this really was in my opinion the last chance saloon in the play off standings, were not good enough anyway, so end the season, with the old play the A team, why not.

There have been a multitude of reasons why we have fizzled out this season, releasing Hadley, Green, Litten, during the season, three Hull lads, disposed of, can’t help the equilibrium, whilst the future must come, the present suffers.

Sika, Mini, Mickey P, all reaching retirement together, but all doing their very best to give it one last shot.

Others also know it’s farewell, and probably the one percent isn’t there anymore.

Connor, this guy is an enigma, a GB international, rumoured to be attracting a half million bid, yet can’t string any kind of a run together in his chosen position, I would stick him in the reserves, attitude appalling, and guilty of believing his own hype.

Scotty has been bang average nearly all season, he used to terrorise teams on his own, he’s been outshone by Mickey P all season, Mickey P who was told he was surplus to requirements, and look for another club, but has given his very best.

I’ll not call for Radders head, I’ll leave that to others, but something is not right behind the scenes, perhaps it will come out in the wash.

Finally to Huddersfield, a team fighting for their lives, well done, your small band of hardy supporters deserved to celebrate.

Embarrassed.

Cut and paste from previous weeks !!

Were fans booing the team? I was on the concourse by that point and wondered if it were the team or idiots blaming the ref (who I thought had a good game)

So you agree that if we finish 7th were underperforming ?

The middle of the table is often where there is most bunching, so I think positions can be misleading, especially if you’re only one win behind a couple of teams or it comes down to points difference.

For where Hull are in their cycle, I think 15 wins from 27 is pretty decent. As a club looking to compete nearer the top of the league, I agree you’re in need of renewal, and you are having a bit of changing of the guard in the squad. I suspect it feels worse than it is because your home form has been very poor (as noted on another thread).

Boos at the hooter were definitely for the team.

atmosphere was so poor last night that I don't even think I heard the Ref get the usual insults! you know its a bad night when that happens

I left the ground, last night totally perplexed and deflated and, yes, at one of the lowest ebbs in 60 years of support. I’ve posted my opinion on the “Radford out” thread so won’t go over old ground. To Mrs B. I took my brother, who is seriously ill and although a season pass holder attended only his second game this season. What a load of we witnessed from an half assed bunch of so called professionals. It was totally abject and these players are totally molly coddled with upto date resources, probably up there with the best. AP has funded the training facilities with no expense spared. We are up there with this so called top 4 you keep harping on about. Get down off your high horse and smell the coffee, pun intended. Do not belittle anyone who has an opinion opposite to yourself. We all have our own ideas and feelings, respect them. To Jake, the boos at the end of the game came from the East stand, directed at the team.

Correct that it feels worse as the Home form is so much worse than the Away. In the table of course points are points and doesn't matter where you play to earn them. But its Home games that sets the mood of the fans, and sells the corporate boxes, tickets & merchandise, and we are having a shocker.

Sort of. I guess what I'm saying is long term the top 4 are the top 4 resource wise. There's then a group of mid table sides like us, Cas, Wakefield. Cas own their own ground so their balance sheet looks a bit healthier but in terms of accumulated losses we're all about the same around £2m. No idea about Catalans as they are obviously registered in France. You're then into the ones perennially in the bottom group - Rovers, Hudds, London. - with much heftier losses. So there are groups of clubs and bandings of finances which broadly correlate to long term performance. We're in the middle one and will finish in a mid table position. I understand the PR of the club, coupled with recent silverware, create a sense of expectation that's not aligned to this, but in the long term the paradigm is hard to argue against. We have no assets other than the fans so our support is disproportionately important to keeping the whole thing going.

Nobody has been belittled. So much over reaction on here at times.

If people post an opinion they can't expect everyone to agree.

Indeed. I'm lucky in that I can get to most away games but the real pain is that we've reserved our best home performances - the Derby, 5 back to back tries v Leeds - for much earlier in the season. It's a big off season ahead for pass sales Leeds will get their shizzle together, Wigan will be transformed by Hastings, Saints will continue to have the best squad and Warrington remain supremely well financed. We will need to pedal harder just to stand still IMO.