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| Quote ="Sebasteeno"Agree with most of what you say Knockers but i think we need a rugby man as an owner - i dont know where one will come from but in an ideal world thats what will awaken FC imo. For all his faults we want an FC Hudgell and if we had one we'd love him far more than Pearson as he'd have passion in his blood for the club.
Whilst Pearson owns FC our club will only go backwards and its already shocking - any further and we will be the next Bradford. The total mess the clubs in will take years to sort out but the first thing that needs to happen is it becomes part of the community again - at the moment its just this entity that plays in a ground that its not wanted in - we need a new owner and leadership, directors, coaches and a completely new and fresh impetus at getting this club to being a club that its fans are proud of again - something not many of are any more'"
Cant argue with any of that
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| Quote ="K-Diddy"Wasn't he given a 2 year ban stopping him working with any sports club?'"
I believe his ban was only confined to the playing side, negotiating player contracts and deals and the like. That's why he was able to take up the (business admin only) role of CEO at Widnes.
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"Said like a blue blood Tory, you really have no idea how to make a business work successfully do you? EPIC FAIL
The fact is AP has failed at the most basic of levels in running a business, he's failed to run the organisation in the manner it should be. He should have done a top to toe shake down, installed the right people, kept those that could, got rid of those that can't (Rule should have stayed for a while longer for me). Look at investing in a way that doesn't shout tight-wad penny pincher, the good investments he has put in have actually being just that, investments, some of which will actually rise in value.
The pay-offs he's had to make are partly because he didn't do his job properly and didn't get the right people in, if you think he wasn't aware of certain things going on then you damn Pearson for what he really is.
A 2 bit Arthur Daley 2nd hand car salesman. Spend a bit here, cut a bit there, make do and mend, huff and puff when you've being found out, never admit you're wrong then try flogging a dead horse after you've banged on about how much money you've lost on the deal when the punter starts to walk away and then blame anyone but yourself for why it's knackered
What we need is a strong CEO, someone to make sure the 'directors' know what they are supposed to be doing, they have limited experience within industry, one of them hasn't worked anywhere else but the KC, and none of them are individual leaders, they are directors in name only, nothing more.
We also do not need a 'rugby man', that's not the priority, we have a director of rugby (of sorts) already, if they have had dealings within rugby great, BUT more than anything else they need a background of hands on management of a large operation, someone prepared to face up to an owner and tell them they're wrong over certain things. I don't want a yes man in charge.
A strong CEO ensures stupid things like the Shaul incident never even get to the point where a coach whom is unable to express himself in the manner one would expect to the media gets to sit in the chair without at least being prepared what to say and what not to say instead of sounding like a thug and completely idiotic. Our so called communications director failed massively on that as on previous rantings our coach has provided.
A CEO stops dodgy deals being done (if indeed there were any), it's his job to ensure VFM, not cutting back but ensuring an investment is worth what we are paying, property, player or otherwise. If he doesn't know the value of players it's his job to find out and if that figure s justified, follow recommendation's, garner advice not just from within the club but from external sources also.
Sadly, AP failed to employ a strong CEO from the off, THAT is a massive failure, THAT has cost us and him dearly many many times over what it would have cost him up front. But you can't see that can you?
I really hope AP sells us, tbh if he's here more than 12 months I'd be surprised.'"
You've mentioned these errors of judgement before. But we are where we are which is skint, according to Seb. If there's no cash, there's no cash. I have absolutely no doubt that we need a CEO. But if there's no cash, there's no cash. To generate cash, either the stayaway fans come back and fund a better future for the club or we sell our assets. Where is the cash coming from to pay off Radford today if we are skint? You seem totally unable to answer a basic question. You're deluded if you think on dwindling gates and a progressively more challenging rental arrangement that AP will suddenly pay Radford off, upgrade the coaching staff and fetch in a CEO. Totally unrealistic.
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| Quote ="Sebasteeno"we need a new owner and leadership, directors, coaches'"
There's freaking dozens of cashed up Hull FC fans out there to buy and direct the club, of course.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"What a joke this forum has become.'"
These so called fans are a joke , talk as if they know everything and know nothing. The warrington game showed how good we can be ,played really well and there lies the problem ,we won they hate it for the fact it has taken pressure of Radford ,the petition did not work so now its Pearsons turn for the flack.I dont think there has been anyone in the Fc set up from the top to the bottom they have not had a go at..pathetic .If you feel that all is bad then go ..simple
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| Quote ="hokeydokey"These so called fans are a joke , talk as if they know everything and know nothing. The warrington game showed how good we can be ,played really well and there lies the problem ,we won they hate it for the fact it has taken pressure of Radford ,the petition did not work so now its Pearsons turn for the flack.I dont think there has been anyone in the Fc set up from the top to the bottom they have not had a go at..pathetic .If you feel that all is bad then go ..simple'"
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"icon_lol.gif There's freaking dozens of cashed up Hull FC fans out there to buy and direct the club, of course.'"
Read the whole post dopey - thats not all i said - your pathetic and like ive said previously one of the reasons why we'll never be a top club. You offer nothing other than to try and pull peoples posts to bits, in fact i get abuse for being negative but i only want the club to achieve success and i hate to see in its current plight. You on the other hand seem perfectly happy to let it stagnate and be nothing with your 'scary' posts about impending doom if we dont leave the status quo. I guarantee if we got a new owner though that youd suddenly have your tongue firmly enclenshed in his (or her) buttocks and be claiming it was all your idea all along
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Quote ="Mrs Barista"You've mentioned these errors of judgement before. But we are where we are which is skint, according to Seb. If there's no cash, there's no cash. I have absolutely no doubt that we need a CEO. But if there's no cash, there's no cash. To generate cash, either the stayaway fans come back and fund a better future for the club or we sell our assets. Where is the cash coming from to pay off Radford today if we are skint? You seem totally unable to answer a basic question. You're deluded if you think on dwindling gates and a progressively more challenging rental arrangement that AP will suddenly pay Radford off, upgrade the coaching staff and fetch in a CEO. Totally unrealistic.'"
Pearson specifically recognised that he will have to bring in a new CEO three weeks ago. He didn't say "I'd like to bring in a new CEO but I can't because there's no money"
"Having taken on the chief executive role at Hull last year following the departure of Anthony Sutton, Pearson admits he may have to bring in a new member of staff because of his new commitment."
www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Adam-Pea ... story.html
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Pearson specifically recognised that he will have to bring in a new CEO three weeks ago. He didn't say "I'd like to bring in a new CEO but I can't because there's no money"
"Having taken on the chief executive role at Hull last year following the departure of Anthony Sutton, Pearson admits he may have to bring in a new member of staff because of his new commitment."
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| Quote ="Sebasteeno"Read the whole post dopey - thats not all i said - your pathetic and like ive said previously one of the reasons why we'll never be a top club. You offer nothing other than to try and pull peoples posts to bits, in fact i get abuse for being negative but i only want the club to achieve success and i hate to see in its current plight. You on the other hand seem perfectly happy to let it stagnate and be nothing with your 'scary' posts about impending doom if we dont leave the status quo. I guarantee if we got a new owner though that youd suddenly have your tongue firmly enclenshed in his (or her) buttocks and be claiming it was all your idea all along'"
You seem to have lost the plot.
You've scaremongered about our cashflow plight. If we accept we're up the creek financially, and there is no cash, surely there are two options to resolve it. Fans backing the club financially or the owner selling the club's assets (Lineham, Houghton, Westerman). What is your financial alternative given the cash flow crisis you describe. Clue: we can't pay off Radford because, as you say, there's no cash. In your own time.
I'm not that happy, although I had a fantastic afternoon at Warrington and. 5 from 6 is certainly an improving trend. But if we do a Bradford and get pulled into a financial doom loop, my conscience that I did what I could will be reasonably clear. Plus I'll still go anyway. IAKOW. Every club and set of fans wants success, we're not special.
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"Having taken on the chief executive role at Hull last year following the departure of Anthony Sutton, Pearson admits he may have to bring in a new member of staff because of his new commitment."
www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Adam-Pea ... story.html'"
And today he said "I believe wholeheartedly that [uthe management team I have in place [/uwill drive the club forwards, both within performance and administration."
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"Having taken on the chief executive role at Hull last year following the departure of Anthony Sutton, Pearson admits he may have to bring in a new member of staff because of his new commitment."
www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Adam-Pea ... story.html'"
And today he said "I believe wholeheartedly that [uthe management team I have in place [/uwill drive the club forwards, both within performance and administration."
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"And today he said "I believe wholeheartedly that [uthe management team I have in place [/uwill drive the club forwards, both within performance and administration."'"
Yes, I pointed this out in an earlier post on this thread.
Top points for consistency then!
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| Quote ="hokeydokey"These so called fans are a joke , talk as if they know everything and know nothing. The warrington game showed how good we can be ,played really well and there lies the problem ,we won they hate it for the fact it has taken pressure of Radford ,the petition did not work so now its Pearsons turn for the flack.I dont think there has been anyone in the Fc set up from the top to the bottom they have not had a go at..pathetic .If you feel that all is bad then go ..simple'"
Absolutely nail on the head. When things are going well, we never hear from these people. Yet, when we're struggling they can't wait to jump on board with their extensive knowledge of how to run a professional sports club. Perhaps they could let us know what they do for a living and how successful they are. Then perhaps we could give their views some credence.
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| Quote ="berro's best mate"rule should have stayed? Are you mad??? The guy nearly sent the club to oblivion by his cover up of drugs mis use, nevermind us breaking the salary cap under his leadership, and playing an ineligible player in the cup.... the further away from the club the better for me'"
rule got banned from all things RL didn't he? Plus he was CEO and tried to cover things up
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| Quote ="Hessle Roader"Absolutely nail on the head. When things are going well, we never hear from these people. Yet, when we're struggling they can't wait to jump on board with their extensive knowledge of how to run a professional sports club. Perhaps they could let us know what they do for a living and how successful they are. Then perhaps we could give their views some credence.'"
Things are going better on the field at the moment than they have been all season. The issue is that according to Mrs B, we're in a desperate financial situation and the only guy on our board with any kind of director level experience has chosen this time to divert his attention onto other projects. I would have thought the situation demanded his full attention.
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| Quote ="Sebasteeno"Read the whole post dopey - thats not all i said - your pathetic and like ive said previously one of the reasons why we'll never be a top club. You offer nothing other than to try and pull peoples posts to bits, in fact i get abuse for being negative but i only want the club to achieve success and i hate to see in its current plight. You on the other hand seem perfectly happy to let it stagnate and be nothing with your 'scary' posts about impending doom if we dont leave the status quo. I guarantee if we got a new owner though that youd suddenly have your tongue firmly enclenshed in his (or her) buttocks and be claiming it was all your idea all along'"
She really has nothing to do with us not being a top club.
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| Quote ="Lang Park"Things are going better on the field at the moment than they have been all season. The issue is that [uaccording to Mrs B, we're in a desperate financial situation[/u and the only guy on our board with any kind of director level experience has chosen this time to divert his attention onto other projects. I would have thought the situation demanded his full attention.'"
Based on Seb's evidence, what other conclusion can be drawn?
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Based on Seb's evidence, what other conclusion can be drawn?'"
What evidence? Have you seen any? Can you share it as I'm concerned about this financial plight
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"She really has nothing to do with us not being a top club.'"
The pertinent point here of course is that Seb wants a new owner. Does exhorting fans to stay away and reduce our perceived attractiveness to this mythical ensemble of cashed-up FC businessmen help in any way? Unlikely. IMO.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Based on Seb's evidence, what other conclusion can be drawn?'"
Ha, I'm not wading into the crossfire here. I think my point is valid though, regardless of the state of the finances. Hull FC need someone to lead the "directors". They just aren't cut out to run the club, regardless of how much confidence AP has in them. Also as I mentioned earlier, where's the FD? We don't have anyone to manage the finances of the club, ragrdless of how healthy they are.
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| Quote ="Lang Park"Things are going better on the field at the moment than they have been all season. The issue is that according to Mrs B, we're in a desperate financial situation and the only guy on our board with any kind of director level experience has chosen this time to divert his attention onto other projects. I would have thought the situation demanded his full attention.'"
Mrs B has not said that we are in a desperate financial situation. She effectively repeated what Seb said. But of course he could be right as he seems to have insider knowledge of what's happening in the club.
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| Quote ="Hessle Roader"Absolutely nail on the head. When things are going well, we never hear from these people. Yet, when we're struggling they can't wait to jump on board with their extensive knowledge of how to run a professional sports club. Perhaps they could let us know what they do for a living and how successful they are. Then perhaps we could give their views some credence.'"
Why would you hear from these people as you call them if things are going well?
It obviously means they are happy and have no need to vent their anger or frustration so the point you make is meaningless and another pathetic attempt at one upmanship.
Yes people like yourselves hokey,Mrs barista will go regardless as is your prerogative and you shouldn't be knocked for that but unfortunately some of these IAKOW true fans as you refer to yourselves as do not extend the same courtesy.
I am one of these people you refer too.
I rarely usually post but due to the plight we find ourselves on and off the field with a coach I personally want to see the back of sooner rather then later as he has ruined my enjoyment and love for this club I do post.
When things are going well I simply attend games and make the odd post here and there as I'm generally happy.
The last time I posted as often as this is when agar was at the helm.
I have no issue with Pearson being at Leeds as I don't believe financially he would ignore his financial investment here he will also be generating further income for himself.
This endless discussion of our presumed cash flow is so pointless and frankly boring yet people still discuss it like they're experts.
Time to move on I think and stop fretting.
What will be will be and as long as we have a hull FC I'll support them whichever league We play in as long as Radford isn't in charge obviously
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Correct he gave us detailed and specific examples of what must be a cash flow crisis. The potential consequences of staying away are pretty grim if he's correct. Do your bit.
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You have no effect on the club and seb has no effect on whether people go to watch games or not. How relevant do you think this forum is in the real world?
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