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| Quote ="hansoloishere"=#0000FFSo why is LR aloud time to prove his worth when PG got sacked for two sixth places and a CC final. Where is the logic in that?
If we had finished mid table last year and where similar this year then fair enough, but the fact is we were pants last season, and after LR has had chance to bring in his own players we seem to be going backwards.
It's really not good enough and if AP thinks that it is then maybe he should have bought Batley or Featherstone.'"
That's what really baffles me, I'd love to know his thinking on the matter. It's not that I expect him to have acted by now, I just can't work out why he's still being quite vocal about it rather than keeping quiet and seeing what happens.
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Quote if he stays at the crease long enough – which he will do – he’ll start to score some runs, I’m sure.'"
sounds worryingly like 'if we give him long enough we'll get some results eventually'.
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"To use another cricket analogy.
This season is a reduced overs match. We can't afford for Radford to keep using up deliveries whilst he finds his touch. Eventually the required rate will be too high.
It's quite worrying that Pearson would seemingly be happy with 8 points from 10 games, and that he seems to see top 8 as some sort of achievement.'"
We've currently got Chris Tavaré at the crease .
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"That's what really baffles me, I'd love to know his thinking on the matter. It's not that I expect him to have acted by now, I just can't work out why he's still being quite vocal about it rather than keeping quiet and seeing what happens.
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Quote from AP.." [iand it helps enormously having a coach you can trust and who is working his hardest.[/i."
Gentle untrustworthy? Maybe AP thinking PG was siding with McRae??
Maybe the McDonnell situation - or a smokescreen??
"who is working his hardest." - questioning his work ethic? If true, he did very well then, doing sod all -making it to top 6 & Wembley.
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| Player attitude and commitment towards the Club would help.
Off the pitch their commitment must also be exemplary.
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| Quote ="HFC Boy"Player attitude and commitment towards the Club would help.
Off the pitch their commitment must also be exemplary.'"
In defence, the commitment is there..
but for mine, the commitment is channelled in the wrong direction.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"But tbf, those inconsistent points I made are pretty much things Pearson has said or intimated.
- When he sacked Gentle and appointed Radford he said that Gentle was soft and the players needed someone strong to bring about the correct reaction and improvements.
- He has also criticised Gentle/McRae's recruitment and lauded Radford's.
- 18 months on the squad has been changed to the new coach's liking, but we're actually worse.
Somehow though, this isn't the coach's fault; he's being let down by other people. This seems to suggest the players, which is very odd given he's assembled this squad, his recruitment has been much better than the last setup's, and he's a much better man-manager who can get the best out of players.
I'm honestly of the opinion that Pearson thinks most of us fans are stupid.'"
Playing devil's advocate of course that could be turned around the other way. People who would have given Gentle more time (such as yourself) despite being nilled at Wembley and being outrageously and embarrassingly stuffed out of sight in the play offs seem to want to blame the players for that and absolve the coach of any blame. Kind of depends on your point of view really.
As I said at season start give Radford 10 games and see where we are. Once again we've lost multiple games narrowly - we're undoubtedly the experts at it - but in the main we don't play enough good attacking rugby. Two losses in the next two games should see him out. He would deserve to go in the same way Gentle did in my opinion.
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| Quote ="weaver93"Quote from AP.." [iand it helps enormously having a coach you can trust and who is working his hardest.[/i."
Gentle untrustworthy? Maybe AP thinking PG was siding with McRae??
Maybe the McDonnell situation - or a smokescreen??
"who is working his hardest." - questioning his work ethic? If true, he did very well then, doing sod all -making it to top 6 & Wembley.'"
I could partly understand that. If he lost trust with Gentle, then the position is untenable. I just can't my head around why he's still backing Radford so vehemently. Trust and hard work are to be valued and admired, but they need to be backed up. I'd be honest and try my best for Pearson, doesn't mean I should be anywhere near the job.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"I could partly understand that. If he lost trust with Gentle, then the position is untenable. I just can't my head around why he's still backing Radford so vehemently. Trust and hard work are to be valued and admired, but they need to be backed up. I'd be honest and try my best for Pearson, doesn't mean I should be anywhere near the job.'"
Doesn't want to admit he was wrong and is scared less of Radford, only explanation
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"Playing devil's advocate of course that could be turned around the other way. =#0000FFPeople who would have given Gentle more time (such as yourself) despite being nilled at Wembley and being outrageously and embarrassingly stuffed out of sight in the play offs seem to want to blame the players for that and absolve the coach of any blame. Kind of depends on your point of view really.'"
Some might, but I don't think the majority do, and I certainly don't. What I actually said was that I think a few months' results and 2 performances in particular overshadowed almost 2 years of steady (if a little slow) improvement. I didn't say those were nothing to do with Gentle, I just said that overall, the rest of his tenure should IMO have seen him given the opportunity to continue that improvement and make amends for those two games.
I was also making the point about the inconsistent treatment/assessment. That's not even close to saying it was the players' faults and not Gentle's. It was directly questioning why Radford isn't getting any of the blame. It's very rare that it is ever purely the players' fault or purely the coach. Gentle was rightly criticised (although I personally don't agree with the balance of how much), but blame is still being laid at Gentle's door 18 months later whilst Radford is being lauded for having better recruitment and being a better coach despite the fact that we're somehow worse.
So my point of view is that that makes no sense to any right-thinking person.
Quote ="Staffs FC"As I said at season start give Radford 10 games and see where we are. Once again we've lost multiple games narrowly - we're undoubtedly the experts at it - but in the main we don't play enough good attacking rugby. Two losses in the next two games should see him out. He would deserve to go in the same way Gentle did in my opinion.'"
Fair comment.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"Some might, but I don't think the majority do, and I certainly don't. What I actually said was that I think a few months' results and 2 performances in particular overshadowed almost 2 years of steady (if a little slow) improvement. I didn't say those were nothing to do with Gentle, I just said that overall, the rest of his tenure should IMO have seen him given the opportunity to continue that improvement and make amends for those two games.
I was also making the point about the inconsistent treatment/assessment. That's not even close to saying it was the players' faults and not Gentle's. It was directly questioning why Radford isn't getting any of the blame. It's very rare that it is ever purely the players' fault or purely the coach. Gentle was rightly criticised (although I personally don't agree with the balance of how much), but blame is still being laid at Gentle's door 18 months later whilst Radford is being lauded for having better recruitment and being a better coach despite the fact that we're somehow worse.
So my point of view is that that makes no sense to any right-thinking person.
Fair comment.'"
People seem to forget the horrendous injury list that Gentle had to contend with
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| Quote ="bonaire"People seem to forget the horrendous injury list that Gentle had to contend with'"
I didn't realise excuses like that were allowed.
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| Quote ="bonaire"People seem to forget the horrendous injury list that Gentle had to contend with'"
Part and parcel of the game ....... etc.
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| Quote ="bonaire"People seem to forget the horrendous injury list that Gentle had to contend with'"
All coaches have to deal with injuries at one time or another, how they cope with them is just more material on which to judge them. As long as coaches are measured to the same standards there's not a problem. Rock God X nailed it last year (where did he go?).
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"All coaches have to deal with injuries at one time or another, how they cope with them is just more material on which to judge them. As long as coaches are measured to the same standards there's not a problem. Rock God X nailed it last year (where did he go?).'"
To be honest the performance and on going situation of any coach will be measured by the criteria that their boss determines. Not by anyone else's and certainly not by what fans think. It's unlikely that anyone outside of that process would get to know the inner details of it unless they stumped up a few million and implemented their own system by themselves becoming the owner. Just the way of the world really.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"To be honest the performance and on going situation of any coach will be measured by the criteria that their boss determines. Not by anyone else's and certainly not by what fans think. It's unlikely that anyone outside of that process would get to know the inner details of it unless they stumped up a few million and implemented their own system by themselves becoming the owner. Just the way of the world really.'"
Absolutely. Doesn't make it right or sensible, though, and leaves it wide open to questioning/criticism.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"As I said at season start give Radford 10 games and see where we are. Once again we've lost multiple games narrowly - we're undoubtedly the experts at it - but in the main we don't play enough good attacking rugby. Two losses in the next two games should see him out. He would deserve to go in the same way Gentle did in my opinion.'"
Round 10 is Widnes at home a week tomorrow. Unless we win that and at least one of the Easter games I will be firmly in the "Radford Out" camp.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"Absolutely. Doesn't make it right or sensible, though, and leaves it wide open to questioning/criticism.'"
Water off a duck's back I would imagine. Being questioned and criticised on message boards and social media won't bother him - ultimately results will dictate whether his decisions are right or wrong. I hope they're right but if we're still on 4 points by next weekend then I will not be supporting them. But he's giving Radford time - his choice whether it opens him up to criticism or not.
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| Quote ="Diogenes"Round 10 is Widnes at home a week tomorrow. Unless we win that and at least one of the Easter games I will be firmly in the "Radford Out" camp.'"
I'm pretty much the same. 8 points from 10 games would be a grade C but enough to grant him more time bearing in mind the manner and number of close defeats (again). Fewer than 8 points by next Friday night wouldn't be good enough.
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| We've simply employed a bully as head coach, players are scared and so is the owner
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| Quote ="Sebasteeno"We've simply employed a bully as head coach, players are scared and so is the owner'"
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| wow and again seb proves he knows absol nowt,
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| Quote ="Sebasteeno"We've simply employed a bully as head coach, players are scared and so is the owner'"
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| He offered one of our fans out just for wishing him "Cheerio!" at Craven Park. Hardly like insulting his granny or anything.
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| Quote ="Bobbin' Along"He offered one of our fans out just for wishing him "Cheerio!" at Craven Park. Hardly like insulting his granny or anything.
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