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| Quote ="Sheldon"As I listened to it and read Baxters comments it wasn't, to me, a true representation of what was been said.
Alot of ccoaches don't have a say in recruitment nowadays.'"
To be honest I have not heard the press conference I just read what was in Baxters post and just wanted to clarify just what involvement Radford had with Tony over signings.
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"I'm sorry but can I ask what did he mean by he will coach with discipline and fear?'"
Was quoted by Pearson not Radders, maybe not the best adjectives to use but I guess it will mean that players can expect the hairdryer treatment if they don't perform, rather than the Gentle laid back approach, worked for Fergie......
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| Quote ="Sheldon"Because it didn't come across like that to me.'"
They haven't set out a lot of it in detail either. It surely makes sense that the arrangement will be what several have now set out.
I can't imagine the scenario Airlie Street mentioned (players etc. turn up to training and there's a new face there) would happen. If it does, we're in more of a mess than we thought.
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| Quote ="Chris28"They haven't set out a lot of it in detail either. It surely makes sense that the arrangement will be what several have now set out.
I can't imagine the scenario Airlie Street mentioned (players etc. turn up to training and there's a new face there) would happen. If it does, we're in more of a mess than we thought.'"
It seemed pretty clear, I might not be hearing it as intended.
That scenario does happen though.
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| Quote ="Easty"This is exactly what's confusing me. If this is the case Why have Hull got an ex RL player doing the contracts and not a man with business acumen. I know at Rovers Sandercock identifies the players he wants and then it's up to the CEO I.E Mike Smith to get the player across the line. I'd have thought Hull would be doing the same, So for the same process you'd have Radford identifying players and discussing this with Tony but that's far from what was mentioned in the press conference.'"
Maybe they feel that an ex-RL player (and one that has played for the club at that) will be able to sell the club to a player better than a businessman can? That's not meant as a dig at how Rovers operate as I think that way works too. Just theorizing. I wouldn't be surprised if AP is involved with contracts somewhere in all this and he has business acumen.
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| Quote ="Easty"This is exactly what's confusing me. If this is the case Why have Hull got an ex RL player doing the contracts and not a man with business acumen. I know at Rovers Sandercock identifies the players he wants and then it's up to the CEO I.E Mike Smith to get the player across the line. I'd have thought Hull would be doing the same, So for the same process you'd have Radford identifying players and discussing this with Tony but that's far from what was mentioned in the press conference.'"
Maybe Tony will have better contacts across the world of RL than Pearson might have on his own. Maybe Tony will be the point of call for the endless agents that call clubs up touting their players. Maybe KR can't afford an extra rugby guy in the organisation so the Chief Executive there has to double up on that. I don't know any of this but Pearson has maintained the same structure as before in that respect.
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| Quote ="Gerrum on side ref"Was quoted by Pearson not Radders, maybe not the best adjectives to use but I guess it will mean that players can expect the hairdryer treatment if they don't perform, rather than the Gentle laid back approach, worked for Fergie......'" Fair enough.
The problem with that is that some will flourish and in fact need bawling out as it makes them play better others will go in their shell if they receive the same treatment and they react better to the arm on the shoulder approach.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"Maybe Tony will have better contacts across the world of RL than Pearson might have on his own. Maybe Tony will be the point of call for the endless agents that call clubs up touting their players. Maybe KR can't afford an extra rugby guy in the organisation so the Chief Executive there has to double up on that. I don't know any of this but Pearson has maintained the same structure as before in that respect.'"
AP might want to pursue other business ideas as well.
Not sure, but if we didn't guess this forum would be .
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| Quote ="Gerrum on side ref"Was quoted by Pearson not Radders, maybe not the best adjectives to use but I guess it will mean that players can expect the hairdryer treatment if they don't perform, rather than the Gentle laid back approach, worked for Fergie......'"
Didnt work for roy keane and di canio.
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"Fair enough.
The problem with that is that some will flourish and in fact need bawling out as it makes them play better others will go in their shell if they receive the same treatment and they react better to the arm on the shoulder approach.'"
Having watched FC this season I'd say most of them need bawling out!
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| Quote ="deslawson"Didnt work for roy keane and di canio.'"
Yeah but footballers are sissies
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| With all this business I now have 2 concerns about the club generally, not just this specific appointment:
1. Do we now have a culture of 'dead men's shoes'? Our recent run of coaches has been littered with assistants either being dismissed or replacing a dismissed head coach. It no longer seems to be the case that our coaching staff pull together towards a common goal and take joint responsibility for what's happening, far easier instead to just say the top boy doesn't know what he's doing, according to rumour. Are we almost encouraging in-fighting in some way?
2. Does Pearson have the clarity and conviction in his vision as we once thought/hoped? Or is he simply looking at what has worked for other clubs and copying out of blind hope?
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| Quote ="AirlieBird82"Yeah but footballers are sissies
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"2. Does Pearson have the clarity and conviction in his vision as we once thought/hoped? Or is he simply looking at what has worked for other clubs and copying out of blind hope?'"
He hasn't got a clue. Should have stuck to round ball.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"With all this business I now have 2 concerns about the club generally, not just this specific appointment:
1. Do we now have a culture of 'dead men's shoes'? Our recent run of coaches has been littered with assistants either being dismissed or replacing a dismissed head coach. It no longer seems to be the case that our coaching staff pull together towards a common goal and take joint responsibility for what's happening, far easier instead to just say the top boy doesn't know what he's doing, according to rumour. Are we almost encouraging in-fighting in some way?
2. Does Pearson have the clarity and conviction in his vision as we once thought/hoped? Or is he simply looking at what has worked for other clubs and copying out of blind hope?'"
This is partly what is annoying me about this appointment. People are saying Radford will get the players to perform blah blah blah but surely that was part if his job as assistant so either he can't actually get them to perform and its just wishful thinking or he didn't really bother trying previously because it wasn't in his best interests. Either way I don't like it.
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| Quote ="AirlieBird82"Having watched FC this season I'd say most of them need bawling out!'" Doesn't work with some players though, You just get an adverse reaction.
That is what the term 'man management' refers to as a good man manager can spot it and give the appropriate feedback.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"With all this business I now have 2 concerns about the club generally, not just this specific appointment:
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2. Does Pearson have the clarity and conviction in his vision as we once thought/hoped? Or is he simply looking at what has worked for other clubs and copying out of blind hope?'"
1. Maybe that's why he's employed a coaching staff who already have a longstadning friendship?
2. He's probably notice its near on impossible to attract good players from top clubs as its hard to get them to cross the pennies and that investment in youth is paramount. (added with blind hope)
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| Quote ="Robbo4"This is partly what is annoying me about this appointment. People are saying Radford will get the players to perform blah blah blah but surely that was part if his job as assistant so either he can't actually get them to perform and its just wishful thinking or he didn't really bother trying previously because it wasn't in his best interests. Either way I don't like it.'"
My thoughts exactly. Where is the evidence that the players respect Radford enough to perform consistently well for him? If they will play for him, why haven't they for the past season?
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| Fear and discipline worked for Paulo di canio
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| The fear and discipline was fine, it was his banning of Ketchup and Mayo that did it for him
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| Quote ="Wilde 3"The fear and discipline was fine, it was his banning of Ketchup and Mayo that did it for him
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| Quote ="Easty"This is exactly what's confusing me. If this is the case Why have Hull got an ex RL player doing the contracts and not a man with business acumen. I know at Rovers Sandercock identifies the players he wants and then it's up to the CEO I.E Mike Smith to get the player across the line. I'd have thought Hull would be doing the same, So for the same process you'd have Radford identifying players and discussing this with Tony but that's far from what was mentioned in the press conference.'"
I read somewhere lately that Motu had/is at Huddersfield Uni and studied/studying for a degree in business management. Probably the same or even better qualifications than Mike Smith.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"This is partly what is annoying me about this appointment. People are saying Radford will get the players to perform blah blah blah but surely that was part if his job as assistant so either he can't actually get them to perform and its just wishful thinking or he didn't really bother trying previously because it wasn't in his best interests. Either way I don't like it.'"
What's worrying me the most is Radford surrounding himself with his mates who cops the fallout when things are not going right?
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| Is they anywhere I can watch this press conference again now?
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| Just watching it back now on the Hull Fc website, James Clark is announcing them, guess he wasn't sacked then
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