Meaning: In the back row and running wider out.



Mostly you've actually just proved the point. O'Meley and Moa are the the only 2 players in our side who regularly drop back to actually RUN onto the ball. The rest mainly receive it standing or just ambling up. Manu is a freak and can push tacklers off anyway.

For me fans have unrealistic expectations of him, they assume he should be steamroling the opposition week in week out which is nonsense. He is a big guy and should mean defenders expend a lot of energy bring him to ground. He regularly bumps off a defender and spins in the tackle. My point is go back to when he first joined he ran like an animal and gained penalties, he also gave a few away.

I just feel we have tried to turn him into something he isn't and he doesn't seem to have a clear defined role within the team. Playing him outwide doesn't work the way we move the ball so slowly. We'd be better off using him as a battering ram like Moa.

I think he will do really well at Wigan.

only works like that in the first year of their contract and if you pay them off before the season starts. Once they've played a competitive game for you any payoff counts over full length of contract.

Plenty of times I have seen him put shots on, not as frequent as others though. I have absolutely no doubt he will do well at Wigan and improve enormously.

Chris Hicks?

brown paper bag job

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plus from memory he'd just signed a new 1 year deal. under those circumstances the previous years playing for warrington didnt count. he hadnt played a competitive game for them under his new deal so they could pay him off without it counting on cap.

So that would be the way round it if we really did want rid then (and obviously if he's willing to go). Give Obst an improved 1 year deal, pay it up in full before he plays a game.

Nope.

In fact I've just checked the latest copy of the Operational Rules and it looks like it no longer matters when you pay the player off...


So that seems to say that as soon as you agree a release deal for a player he stops counting on your cap and starts counting on the cap of his new club - which makes far more sense than the previous situation.

EDIT: Actually, that just covers a payment not provided for in the player's contract. If a termination clause is built in the it will have already counted on the cap value of that player during his employment and immediately ceases to count once he leaves.

no it doesnt. all that says is that the value of the termination package is what counts on the slary cap rather than his original cap value. so say a player was on a 100k a yr deal with 2 yrs left. his cap value is 100k in each year. You agree to terminate his contract for a one off 50k payment. you would now take a 25k a year hit on you slary cap rather than the original 100k.

that doesn't make any sense when taking Kosh's quoted rules into account. the £50k would count once, as £50k.

That's not how I interpret that quote, and it makes no sense at all when you consider that when the player transfers to his new club his salary cap value is his wages for the entire year regardless of when he joins. In that case you would have him counting on the cap at two different clubs.

There's also no mention in the rules whatsoever of a First Tier player only counting on the cap once he's played a game - in fact it specifically rules it out. The top 25 SC players count on the cap from the start of the SC year (1st December) whether they play a game or not. It's only the Second Tier players that have to play in a Salary cap Relevant match before they get added to the total cap liability.

That's how I read it. The payment effectively replaces his salary for the remainder of his contract - which is the day he leaves. Once he's gone that's it.

In fact earlier on in the rules it actually says that the SC value of a player as agreed at the start of his contract is what counts and not how much money he actually receives, so I'd read that as saying that the termination payment doesn't count at all.

No wonder clubs have problems with this.

Sonny Bill has been seen in a black and white shirt this morning

Get the RUWC out the way then he will come to Hull - FACT

The 'All Blacks' had white in their kit?

Yup

Did they bother with the Haka?

Aye was met by Tonga's too

Smailes and Murdock slightly cagey about Jamie Lyon rumour I thought. Or else I'm reading something into absolutely nothing. Not for the first time.

Would love Jamie Lyon at Fc but cannot see it myself ...guess we will have to do just do with Benji Marshall instead sigh

I hear Epalahame Lauaki is joining Widnes and could be announced within the next week or so. Will he be a big loss? thoughts on this.

About as much use as a inflatable dartboard! Deadwood! Bye bye!

will be a big loss. at least two mcdonalds stores could face closure in hull.

Physically he's good. Mentally he's just not got it right. Maybe your coaching staff may help him with that? His stupid long pass and head high shot were.. well.. stupid.

They also put tony williams is going to Widnes that would be a good signing for them