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| Quote ="Standee"no, no and thrice no.
I we ever even considered a merger with KR than I know many people who would walk away from the sport, fod good.'"
They say that but look how quickly we adopted the Sharks theme as supporters. Just a rebranding that takes the emphasis away from which club plays the biggest role would quickly change things. If people love live RL in Hull (which I'm assured they do) then they'd go to the KC to watch it because there wouldn't be anywhere else.
And I just can't see how Rovers can continue indefinitely on the gates they get with the facilities they offer both home and away supporters.
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| Quote ="Standee"franchising was brought in to try and avoid the reliance single investors, £1m won't make a massive difference to KR, it certainly wont increase your fan base above the 10,000 break even that you are still struggling to attract.'"
Does a £1m loan not now push the 10,000 'break even figure up? also how would the £6.5m loan from Europe affect this?
Will Rovers need to hit say 12,000 to break even, or more??
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| Quote ="downtheante"[uI think the two clubs should merge[/u. Twice a year we get a larger than average crowd that puts up the SL's figures but if you add the Rovers and FC crowds together you're suddenly looking at really good attendances every week (even with a few not wanting to cross the river to the KC). In a few years there would be an entire generation that never knew the two separate clubs and would bleed black, red and white if you cut them. Forget all this pettiness between the boards and supporters and concentrate on creating the best team in the league, whilst making room for another club to join - say, from France or Cumbria.'"
I could of course ban you from this forum for a while to think about what you're doing, but I doubt it will have any effect
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| Quote ="FC Wembley 08"Does a £1m loan not now push the 10,000 'break even figure up? also how would the £6.5m loan from Europe affect this?
Will Rovers need to hit say 12,000 to break even, or more??'"
No idea, a £1m cash injection may even affect the eligibility of the club to recieve the loans from other sources, if I were HCC I'd be asking for my loan money back.
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| Quote ="jacko1"I doubt you'd get either Clubs fans agreeing with this let alone the boards of each club'"
I'm pretty sure you're right, but I think people ought to take a logical stance on this and move on from wha,t in the end, is only history. As Alan Bennett said "history is just one fooking thing after another". Why can't this be just one of those things. After all, we're not called Hull White Star anymore but I don't hear of many people arguing to bring that back (as a cheeky example) because, frankly, none of us remember those times.
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| Quote ="downtheante"They say that but look how quickly we adopted the Sharks theme as supporters. Just a rebranding that takes the emphasis away from which club plays the biggest role would quickly change things. If people love live RL in Hull (which I'm assured they do) then they'd go to the KC to watch it because there wouldn't be anywhere else.
And I just can't see how Rovers can continue indefinitely on the gates they get with the facilities they offer both home and away supporters.'"
You cannot compare the 2 situations.. AT ALL..
I WILL NOT go to a merged Hull team. I would either, as Standee has pointed out, walk away from the game or travel to Cas when i can and support them...
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| Quote ="downtheante"They say that but look how quickly we adopted the Sharks theme as supporters. Just a rebranding that takes the emphasis away from which club plays the biggest role would quickly change things. If people love live RL in Hull (which I'm assured they do) then they'd go to the KC to watch it because there wouldn't be anywhere else.
And I just can't see how Rovers can continue indefinitely on the gates they get with the facilities they offer both home and away supporters.'"
I would much rather go watch Cas.
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| Quote ="HullFC50"Has to be some ulterior motive here, the guy gives Rovers £1 million, this even before he has had a meeting with HCC council about buying the KC. If the sale doesn't go ahead and he builds his dream stadium at Melton will he just write off the million, can't see it myself. Just hope he leaves our club alone.'"
I think the old boy might just be hedging his bets here. How about the deal for the KC falls through ? Allam then turns his attention to Craven Park. He's ingratiated himself into Rovers good books with a no strings cool £1M gift. How about he re-develops Craven Park and moves City there ?? The site already has a stadium built on it. He buys the lease from the council on the understanding he'll develop the surrounding land like he promised at Melton. Spends a few £M on bringing CP up to Premier League scratch, hey presto, he ends up with his own stadium at what I would expect to be less cost than the either building new at Melton or buying the KC from the council.
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| Quote ="downtheante"I'm pretty sure you're right, but I think people ought to take a logical stance on this and move on from wha,t in the end, is [uonly history[/u. As Alan Bennett said "history is just one fooking thing after another". Why can't this be just one of those things. After all, we're not called Hull White Star anymore but I don't hear of many people arguing to bring that back (as a cheeky example) because, frankly, none of us remember those times.'"
Yeah, that's right, bring back David Lloyd and Peter Walsh cos that's only history.
And Alan Bennett is a die hard black and white. HATES Rovers
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| Quote ="Chris71"Have to disagree with you on this point. What this sport needs to be successful is a strong & professional organisation not the current idiots at Red Hall. One that is more proactive in promoting itself to an audience it can geniunely attract and retain not wasting time, money and resources on pipe dreams of making it a big concern in other countries.
Clubs also need to be self sustainable and not reliant on one or more backers. RL is not a majority sport in the UK and has to work harder to promote/sell itself. The day when money men rule the world of RL will be the death of it, you only have to look at what happened to Ice Hockey in the UK when Heineken pulled out. The BIHA ran the sport into the ground then the money men such as Sir John Hall thought he could do better or make a killing, the latter he did by killing off the most successful club ever in Durham Wasps. Since then the top flight in UK Ice Hockey has had more failed leagues aswel as teams in a short space of time then its entire history as money men think they know best.
Leeds and Hull FC are doing it right by making sure their clubs are self sufficient any other way is just fool hardy as sugar daddys can lose interest or need to relocate their funds elsewhere particularly in todays financial climate.'"
Unfortunately Money Men do rule RL already. RL is in no different a position now then the position of Ice Hockey you quoted. If Murdoch decides to pull the sky plug RL is dead in the water. As much as we like to think there is an element of self sufficiency if sky decide to half there investment all clubs would go to the wall.
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| Quote ="Chris28"Yeah, that's right, bring back David Lloyd and Peter Walsh cos that's only history.
And Alan Bennett is a die hard black and white. HATES Rovers
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You're all a bunch of reactionary biggots. And I'm obviously being one of those advocates of the devilish variety.
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| Quote ="Standee"No idea, a £1m cash injection may even affect the eligibility of the club to recieve the loans from other sources, if I were HCC I'd be asking for my loan money back.'"
A large part of the investment is in Craven Park - a council owned facility that is leased out to a third party and then on to Rovers.
Could this be construed as a bribe??
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| Quote ="FC Wembley 08"You cannot compare the 2 situations.. AT ALL..
I WILL NOT go to a merged Hull team. I would either, as Standee has pointed out, walk away from the game or travel to Cas when i can and support them...'"
With respect good sir, I say that is b0ll0cks. You'd be there with the rest of us cheering on Hull Trojans (or whatever theyd be called) after a couple of weeks of starvation (or watching a floundering Cas propping up the league from an old shed).
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| Quote ="Mick Cranes Sidestep"A large part of the investment is in Craven Park - a council owned facility that is leased out to a third party and then on to Rovers.
Could this be construed as a bribe??'"
Whether or not it could I think we ought to.
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| Quote ="Mick Cranes Sidestep"A large part of the investment is in Craven Park - a council owned facility that is leased out to a third party and then on to Rovers.
Could this be construed as a bribe??'"
interesting thought would like too hear from those who would know what they think..
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| Quote ="Mick Cranes Sidestep"Could this be construed as a bribe??'"
I can feel a FOI request coming on
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| Quote ="downtheante"With respect good sir, I say that is b0ll0cks. You'd be there with the rest of us cheering on Hull Trojans (or whatever theyd be called) after a couple of weeks of starvation (or watching a floundering Cas propping up the league from an old shed).'"
I can honestly 100% guarantee you I WON'T..... How i can prove this to you i don't know but i will not support a merged Hull side. Castleford have always been my second team and they would step up to the throne for me!
I may watch on TV but to dedicate my weekends and go to games??? No thank you!!
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| To be fair call me an old cynic, But maybe AA is just after some votes from a council that are holding the keys to his dream (afterall AP has stated city cant afford to pay any transfer fees for new players due to the more money being needed to service debt which is strange since AA has previously stated he cleared the debt)and he's linked up with Hudge knowing how much bad bad news (Building regs halting the east stand, Willie Mason, week after week of beatings, attendances well down on break even, Golf stand being ready to be condemned .No real sign of the funding for the north stand. Several instances of upsetting the head beaks at the RFL and franchising decisions due to be made). AA ineeds the KC stadium and is desperate to appear to be doing anything to get it.So in short 2 media frenzied men both need a boost and agree to create a Good news story to prop up a failing business model and get the votes for the KC. mmm just maybe.....
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| Quote ="downtheante"With respect good sir, I say that is b0ll0cks. You'd be there with the rest of us cheering on Hull Trojans (or whatever theyd be called) after a couple of weeks of starvation (or watching a floundering Cas propping up the league from an old shed).'"
I can guarantee that I would not be there.
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| Quote ="FC Wembley 08"I can honestly 100% guarantee you I WON'T..... How i can prove this to you i don't know but i will not support a merged Hull side. Castleford have always been my second team and they would step up to the throne for me!
I may watch on TV but to dedicate my weekends and go to games??? No thank you!!'"
But, joking aside, I really can't understand why you would not want to support the one and only professional rugby league side representing Hull and surrounding area. The players wouldn't be any less passionate, the income would be higher thus allowing the club to attract a higher calibre of player (overall) and the odds of attending major finals would be better. After all, it's just a name.
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| Quote ="downtheante"But, joking aside, I really can't understand why you would not want to support the one and only professional rugby league side representing Hull and surrounding area. The players wouldn't be any less passionate, the income would be higher thus allowing the club to attract a higher calibre of player (overall) and the odds of attending major finals would be better. [uAfter all, it's just a name[/u.'"
You're getting closer all the time...
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| Quote ="Standee"I can feel a FOI request coming on'"
In the past 12 months, how many private companies or individuals have invested in Council owned (or leased facilities) that have added material value to the asset.
I would be particularly interested in the amounts spent on improving the sports stadi within the City of Hull, as all three are in the ownership of the City Council.
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| Quote ="downtheante"But, joking aside, I really can't understand why you would not want to support the one and only professional rugby league side representing Hull and surrounding area. The players wouldn't be any less passionate, the income would be higher thus allowing the club to attract a higher calibre of player (overall) and the odds of attending major finals would be better. After all, it's just a name.'"
are you basically just out too wind people up....
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| Quote ="downtheante"But, joking aside, I really can't understand why you would not want to support the one and only professional rugby league side representing Hull and surrounding area. The players wouldn't be any less passionate, the income would be higher thus allowing the club to attract a higher calibre of player (overall) and the odds of attending major finals would be better. After all, it's just a name.'"
We couldn't attract a higher calibre of player - the salary cap still exists. in fact 50% of the current playing roster of our club now could potentially be redundant.
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| Quote ="Chris28"You're getting closer all the time...
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and another point that people make regarding their opposite set of supporters is that the majority are so-called "fair weather" supporters. Therefore, it's those people that would make up the majority of the crowd if we die-hards abandon our respective teams. And let's face it, many of the die-hards would continue to support a Hul team anyway. There would be just a few fanatics who would cut their noses off to spite their faces.
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