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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Factoring in injuries, loss of form and a coach that believes in him then, yes.'"
I'm not sure why you think Agar believing in him will suddenly make him a better player?
He has been solid but nothing special in the games we have seen him so far. The only way he would get a game next year is due to injuries and for his own development it would be a waste for him to play in the reserves. Currently I would play him over a couple of our current "props" though.
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| Quote ="knocker norton"Reading Agars comments on the Hull FC site would suggest that he thinks he is progressing although just not in the first 17 and a spell at Fax will help this process.
All indicates that Agar has future plans for Maloney IMO.'"
I know what you are saying but I disagree. Agar hasn't been giving DM hardly any chances all season. FFS Agar even brought another prop in from the other side of the world and then had the cheek to loan DM out.
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| Yes but just because we have a few injuries doesnt mean Maloney is suddenly 'ready' for super league. I do not know much about Cordoba but you have to give the club some credit for bringing a guy across mid season to help the coach put out as strong a squad as possible.
If Agar doesnt think Maloney is ready then this signing makes sense in a results driven business ( ). Agar thinks a guy with 60 odd NRL appearance will improve the team more then the guy who is still cutting his teeth at this level but progressing none the less.
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| The only logical explanation i can see for this is due to the 25 player first team squad rule and he has had to make way on this so Tansey can be registered on it.
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| Quote ="FC Mute"The only logical explanation i can see for this is due to the 25 player first team squad rule and he has had to make way on this so Tansey can be registered on it.'"
Which 25 player first team squad rule is that?
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| Quote ="Standee"Which 25 player first team squad rule is that?'"
[url=http://www.superleague.co.uk/page.php?id=346This one.[/url
SUPER LEAGUE SQUADS
• Each engage Super League club must nominate a first team squad of up to 25 players.
• Clubs may then make amendments to that first team squad during the season with the prior approval of the RFL.
• If a club wishes to play a player who is not in the first team squad, it may only do so with the prior approval of the RFL.
So I suppose it depends how the 25 is defined (I presume it's to do with full time vs part time). If Tansey's arrival has made it impossible for Maloney to play in the first team, perhaps he's asked for a move.
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| You will see teams have a 30 man squad, although only 25 of them will be classed as first team, some will be academy who do not count.
Another clear as glass RFl ruling.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"[url=http://www.superleague.co.uk/page.php?id=346This one.[/url
SUPER LEAGUE SQUADS
• Each engage Super League club must nominate a first team squad of up to 25 players.
• Clubs may then make amendments to that first team squad during the season with the prior approval of the RFL.
• If a club wishes to play a player who is not in the first team squad, it may only do so with the prior approval of the RFL.
So I suppose it depends how the 25 is defined (I presume it's to do with full time vs part time). If Tansey's arrival has made it impossible for Maloney to play in the first team, perhaps he's asked for a move.'"
Cheers, didn't realise such a rule existed.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"[url=http://www.superleague.co.uk/page.php?id=346This one.[/url
SUPER LEAGUE SQUADS
• Each engage Super League club must nominate a first team squad of up to 25 players.
• Clubs may then make amendments to that first team squad during the season with the prior approval of the RFL.
• If a club wishes to play a player who is not in the first team squad, it may only do so with the prior approval of the RFL.
So I suppose it depends how the 25 is defined (I presume it's to do with full time vs part time). If Tansey's arrival has made it impossible for Maloney to play in the first team, perhaps he's asked for a move.'"
But he wouldnt have had to leave Hull to come off the 25 players will he? (unless thats the only way the RFL would allow Tansey to join)
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| Quote ="FC Mute"You will see teams have a 30 man squad, although only 25 of them will be classed as first team, some will be academy who do not count.
Another clear as glass RFl ruling.'"
Wasnt aware of this rule, thought it had gone when the 20/25/25 ruling went but obviously hasnt.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Wasnt aware of this rule, thought it had gone when the 20/25/25 ruling went but obviously hasnt.
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I can't see how the RFL can enforce it, surely it's restriction of trade?
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| Couldnt we justify the signing of Tansey with the season ending injury to Motu? Thats assuming Motus injury is that bad of course.
Seems harsh that you cannot replace an injured player due to a 25 man squad ruling.
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| Quote ="Standee"I can't see how the RFL can enforce it, surely it's restriction of trade?'"
The Salary Cap can be deemed to be restriction of trade but if it is agreed by the majority of the clubs and becomes an RFL Bye Law it overrides Employment and Contract laws.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"The Salary Cap can be deemed to be restriction of trade but if it is agreed by the majority of the clubs and becomes an RFL Bye Law it overrides Employment and Contract laws.'"
I think you'll find that a bye law of an organisation doesn't, and never could, override statute.
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| The RFL are also introducing the rule next year that allows clubs to loan players to lower league clubs at short notice, due to the reserves becoming the U21's (if i have got that right).
Maybe Agar plans to re-sign big Mal and loan him out for a year?
Still find it odd that we opt to play underperforming players this year whithout giving younger guys the opportunity to step up and show what they can do, particulaly when the season is more or less over. Agar baffles me at times.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"But he wouldnt have had to leave Hull to come off the 25 players will he? (unless thats the only way the RFL would allow Tansey to join)'"
No, but he couldn't then play, so (from his point of view) what would be the point in him hanging around? That's what I meant in my last sentence.
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| Quote ="Standee"I think you'll find that a bye law of an organisation doesn't, and never could, override statute.'"
Maybe. But the point is the clubs have agreed it. It is therefore an RFL Bye Law and all clubs will abide by it. You brought up the Employment Laws.
Simples.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Maybe. But the point is the clubs have agreed it. It is therefore an RFL Bye Law and all clubs will abide by it. You brought up the Employment Laws.
Simples.'"
No, youre just wrong, no matter how you spin it.
The clubs may have given an undertaking not to challenge the legality of the bye-law under statute law, but it doesn't mean a case could not be brought against the RFL, and won.
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| Quote ="knocker norton"Couldnt we justify the signing of Tansey with the season ending injury to Motu? Thats assuming Motus injury is that bad of course.
Seems harsh that you cannot replace an injured player due to a 25 man squad ruling.'"
IIRC correctly you can deregister an injured player, but it does so for the remainder of the season with no possibility of re-registering until the next season (I think Wakefield did it recently, or at least looked into it). So either the Maloney move isn't to make way for Tansey, or the club fancy the chances of all of our injured players returning before the season's out. I'd favour the former, as I don't expect to see Tony or Cusack again this year.
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| You can de-register as many as you like I believe Carl, but can only re-register a maximum of 2 of them.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"I don't expect to see Tony or Cusack again this year.'"
Might be back for the play offs
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| Quote ="Standee"I can't see how the RFL can enforce it, surely it's restriction of trade?'"
Not sure TBH. The player can still move and sign for a club but then wouldnt be allowed to play unless another player came off, kind of like the US roster systems.
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| Quote ="knocker norton"Couldnt we justify the signing of Tansey with the season ending injury to Motu? Thats assuming Motus injury is that bad of course.
Seems harsh that you cannot replace an injured player due to a 25 man squad ruling.'"
I reckon thats how its been done tbf.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"The Salary Cap can be deemed to be restriction of trade but if it is agreed by the majority of the clubs and becomes an RFL Bye Law it overrides Employment and Contract laws.'"
No it isnt and no it doesnt.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"No, but he couldn't then play, so (from his point of view) what would be the point in him hanging around? That's what I meant in my last sentence.'"
Yup. Its in his best interests whatever the situation to go out on loan currently.
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