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| In SL games since he took over from sharp it's been P 28 W 10 L 18
Appalling stats for me. Take out the 5 wins in a row at the start of this season and it's 5 wins from the other 23 games. 6 home defeats in a row, 2nd bottom last season, not looking good this season. I believe the players we have are capable of far better and he is undoubtedly the problem
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| Do you know what Sharpe's stats were whilst at Hull? It'd be interesting to compare.
That's worse than I thought that they would be, though.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"In SL games since he took over from sharp it's been P 28 W 10 L 18
Appalling stats for me. Take out the 5 wins in a row at the start of this season and it's 5 wins from the other 23 games. 6 home defeats in a row, 2nd bottom last season, not looking good this season. I believe the players we have are capable of far better and he is undoubtedly the problem'"
Doesnt matter how many he won in a row, they all still count for 2 points.
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| ah hah! a new day new anti-agar post congratulations old chap.
Now you've started your crusade do you want hull to start winning or do you want them to lose to validate your point of view???
And no I am not happy with current results but I am not sure that a personal vendetta againt the coach is the best way forward.
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| Quote ="Brasil Fan"ah hah! a new day new anti-agar post congratulations old chap.
Now you've started your crusade do you want hull to start winning or do you want them to lose to validate your point of view???
And no I am not happy with current results but I am not sure that a personal vendetta againt the coach is the best way forward.'"
We want Agar out.
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| Quote ="Brasil Fan"ah hah! a new day new anti-agar post congratulations old chap.
Now you've started your crusade do you want hull to start winning or do you want them to lose to validate your point of view???
And no I am not happy with current results but I am not sure that a personal vendetta againt the coach is the best way forward.'"
Not a crusade he just isn't up to the job of taking this club forward he is out of his depth
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| I just looked it up, and apparently Agar's stats are Quote 2006, 2008-09 P32 W14 L18 D0 (A 44% win rate)'" and Sharp's were Quote P63 W34 L26 D3 (A 54% win rate)'"
Thoughts?
EDIT: And since 1998, McRae has had the best win rate, with 55.2% from 87 matchs in charge.
[url=http://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/teams/Hull_FC/coaches.htmlSource (NB, I added three losses and 3 games to Agar's stats, as that site hasn't recorded our last 3 games, which in turn made Agar's win rate change).[/url
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| Quote ="Brasil Fan"ah hah! a new day new anti-agar post congratulations old chap.
Now you've started your crusade do you want hull to start winning or do you want them to lose to validate your point of view???
And no I am not happy with current results but I am not sure that a personal vendetta againt the coach is the best way forward.'"
I want what's best for the club and that's agar out
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| Quote ="Panda92"I just looked it up, and apparently Agar's stats are and Sharp's were .
Thoughts?'"
sharpy's better than agar
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| Panda92 and Brither yes we know your opinion it's put forward every day. this subject could be put into a single subject called "Agar Out!" or something like that just as the rumour subject is. Not that I am complaining about the moderators you understand. But to continually have thrwad after thread on the same subject is boring and it makes finding different things difficult to find if you have a very slow internet connection as I do when on board ship. 64K between 15 computers so slow to open the SOS threads.
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| Quote ="Panda92"I just looked it up, and apparently Agar's stats are and Sharp's were
Thoughts?
EDIT: And since 1998, McRae has had the best win rate, with 55.2% from 87 matchs in charge.
[url=http://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/teams/Hull_FC/coaches.htmlSource (NB, I added three losses and 3 games to Agar's stats, as that site hasn't recorded our last 3 games, which in turn made Agar's win rate change).[/url'"
So, peter sharp has a win loss ratio only very marginally worse than McRae, intersting that considering some of the things posted about him.
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| Quote ="Panda92"I just looked it up, and apparently Agar's stats are and Sharp's were
Thoughts?
EDIT: And since 1998, McRae has had the best win rate, with 55.2% from 87 matchs in charge.
[url=http://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/teams/Hull_FC/coaches.htmlSource (NB, I added three losses and 3 games to Agar's stats, as that site hasn't recorded our last 3 games, which in turn made Agar's win rate change).[/url'"
Thoughts
people complained about bomber before he left then things went downhill after he left.
Be careful what you wish for!
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| Quote ="Neil HFC"So, peter sharp has a win loss ratio only very marginally worse than McRae, intersting that considering some of the things posted about him.'"
But, at the same time, McRae did manage 20-odd more games than Sharp, so he was more consistent.
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| Quote ="Panda92"But, at the same time, McRae did manage 20-odd more games than Sharp, so he was more consistent.'"
1% better win ratio, hardly "more consistent",
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| Quote ="Neil HFC"icon_confused.gif 1% better win ratio, hardly "more consistent",'" but 20+ games is, which was my point. I
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| Quote ="Panda92"but 20+ games is, which was my point. I'"
thats got knack all to do with it. he won and lost as near as makes no odds the same proportion as Sharp. Thats what percentages are.
if he'd have won 3 from 4 games and people were quoting a 75% win ratio then you'd maybe have a point,
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| He is clearly going to be here next season, the board have made that clear by backing him in the transfer market. It seems he is being allowd to build his own squad for next season and that includes gettig rid of a number of players. For me this is not before time, too many of the players are lazy and uninterested and it was the same under Sharp and Kear. I for one am glad Agar is going to have the balls to make some tough decisions and do what is right by getting shut of some of the crap.
I am not happy with the way we are playing or with some of Agar's decisions and he needs to improve aswell as the players but I do beleive he cares and is desperate to get it right.
Should we get shut now all that happens is we get Jon Sharp and I don't want that at all. Lets back Agar and see if he can improve during 2009 and build a hungry and competitive squad for 2010.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"I for one am glad Agar is going to have the balls to make some tough decisions and do what is right by getting shut of some of the crap.'" How do you know this ??
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| Quote ="The Hollywood Frasier"How do you know this ??'"
Agar said so. If he wants to keep his job he has to get it right, he wanted the clear out last year, said so after the Rovers match, but could not do it due to lack of personel available I believe. This season he can make the decisions and I believe he will.
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| Unless of course Jon Sharp is a prime mover with regard to the recruitement.
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| Quote ="The Hollywood Frasier"How do you know this ??'"
not rocket science mate
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Agar said so. If he wants to keep his job he has to get it right, he wanted the clear out last year, said so after the Rovers match, but could not do it due to lack of personel available I believe. This season he can make the decisions and I believe he will.'"
Additionally last season there were not that many players who were out of contract who could be released without a pay off.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Agar said so. If he wants to keep his job he has to get it right, he wanted the clear out last year, said so after the Rovers match, but could not do it due to lack of personel available I believe. This season he can make the decisions and I believe he will.'"
Il judge Agar next year, with the players he brings in, and the players he shifts out, and how performances go next year. Need to give him time, the great wall of China wasnt built in a day.
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| Quote ="wileman-hfc"Il judge Agar next year, with the players he brings in, and the players he shifts out, and how performances go next year. Need to give him time, the great wall of China wasnt built in a day.'"
neither was Rome
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| Can those hwo believe agar can do great things with the right squad just post the areas they belive he has improved things since he took over?
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