It's a contributing factor to the nature of penalties he gave away. Laying on too long and a lazy arm high shot. He didn't give any penalties away in the opening 20 did he?

maybe so but derbies are not a true reflection of what is happening within either FC or KR...Let us see what the next few games bring before the petitions start. Do not get me wrong I am not happy we have not signed a h/back, hooker cover but again this may happen over the next couple of weeks. I liked what I saw for the first 20 mins and I wonder if we can see and maintain that over the next few weeks.

Thought it was on the 20 minute mark, may be wrong. Even without the penalties though, he looked out of it and performed poorly from the 20 minute mark onwards.

well if you do really want chase and as I said westy was worth around £150k and I think part of that money was to go to the clubs at Xscape for compensation on lost revenue on beer sales, then what is Chase worth £500k must be around the mark. Either that or you might just have been well and truley tucked up with what you have paid for westy

Yes, he did. The first laying on with Dowes to give the penalty for their first try. Poor argument for giving away penalties IMHO.

You mean the one that Dowes give away ?

Don't you think it was just us that were too good for you

Fitz was also involved. Regardless what you say, tiredness is no excuse for a player of his experience to give away penalties.

So Tom what did you actually think today ?

I don't go with any of this first game of the season stuff, and lets give em a few games, we have played like that for months. Huddersfield Bradford Crusaders Rovers and even Cas have all improved in the closed season, some have even managed to sign some half backs we simply havn't changed at all it was all just same old same old. Another long season 'Down the middle' beckons!

Very disappointing and I'm coming over to the Agar out side tbh

First 15 minutes we were on top, due in part to O'Meley and Radford making good ground and the backs capitalising on that. So both get subbed around the same time and we're starting again with Moa and Dowes. Why not leave one on and let them continue the way things were going?

Why did Fitz play the full 80 (although he may not have done, as I packed in watching with about 8 minutes to go). If anyone needs spelling it's him. Why have 4 forwards on the bench? Injury to a back means a wholesale reorganisation.

Why can't we cope when a team scores against us? We were comfortable then they scored and that was it.

Why play Briscoe at wing all last season and in the friendly at Cas, then put him in the centre today? In fact why play the friendlies at all? We don't seem to have benefitted, or used any of the good issues from those games. The comment was made in the commentary that we didn't seem to be fully match ready either.

Gutted to lose, especially to Rovers, but most teams I've seen this weekend would beat us now. No progress since 2009. Yes we had some good moves and scored some good tries, and yes some players performed well. But one good move and a try will not win us games, nor get us within cooee of a trophy.

No need for the wink mate,you were.

Case closed then, wasn't good enough from Fitz to give away penalties, tiredness no excuse.

I thought we were playing very well in the first 15, then started losing discipline and allowing Rovers to play. They gained momentum and started to score through our poor and unorganised defence. We continued to give them the ball through holding on etc, giving them back to back sets in which they capitalised on. You can't score without the ball and we gave it away too easily. Started to look interested again in the last 5-10, but yet again too late in the day. I couldn't knock the effort of some of our players, but I am also angry at the cheap ball we gave away. We looked alright in attack and I think it would have been a different game completely if we kept our discipline.

An odd comment given that the one glimmer of light in the long dark tunnel of today's game was our improved attack.

Our discipline and defence is shocking. This is what will kill our season unless it's fixed pronto.

I'm finding it hard to come up with an argument against that. Only Salford and Wakefield I'd be confident against, and possibly Catalans although I didn't see all of that one.

Very much so.

So you think Fitzy should play for 80 mins ? Were not fit enough Tom by a long way there was no line speed after the first 15 mins , effort of some of the players isn't good enough it's a derby they should be well up for it .

Definatley.

Totally agree

thought today showed that we really needed a quality no.6. we dominated the 1st 10 mins, but then again rovers didn't have any possession in that period. for me fitz gave 100% but had nobody with the same enthusiasm and just tried too hard. rovers looked like they could score every time they got into our 20, but i just don't have the same confidence when we get into the oppositons 20, our game looks erratic,laboured or trying to force the play, we just don't seem confident enough with ball in hand. long cannot do everything on his own. please hull sign a quality no.6!!!!!

Dowes was/is garbage, nowhere near good enough. Gave away the penalty for the 1st try and is lightweight.
Lyne looked nervous and still out of place to me.
Fitzgibbon was poor, gave silly penalties away, including back to back ones which led to the 3rd try.
Briscoe wasn't great at centre, but he might get better with time.
Turner did the odd good play but was generally poor.
Westerman had a poor game, bad tackling led to Newton's try.

From a team point of view, our discipline was very poor. Gave away too many silly penalties, and one whilst we had the ball.
We failed to cope with Dobson's/Green's short ball to the second rower.
We made far too many handling errors, gave them far too much ball.

Jesus, whether he should play 80mins or not he still shouldn't be giving away penalties that much! Some of the efforts we'rent good enough, some were good too. Any positives from today's game or all doom and gloom, as per?

All doom and gloom for me,14 points up,looked like we meant business,and toally blew up.And no,it is not as per with me,but I am already twitchy about this season.

Not many no , Yeamo was and the 1st dummy runners I've seen us do for a year . But I suppose we can be happy if we finish about 8th don't want to be ambitious and be near the top

You're right, that's why his 6 helped out by laying on a try. Honestly, Turner was far from our biggest weakness today.