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| Quote ="pmarrow"If Agar was to go and we brought in what on paper is a better coach, we still won't be much better off. Sure a better coach will make them defend better and have an ounce of idea in attack but we'd still only get into the play offs. We wouldn't win anything because to be simple, half the playing squad ain't good enough, despite who is coaching them.
Players like Richard Horne who have being coached under 5/6 coaches and still nobody can teach him a way to undo a defence. Infact I think he once gave an inside pass a few seasons ago which we scored off and he's constantley just done that. Although he does have a good short kicking game.
Theres just far too many average in the squad, forwards who can't break tackles, penalty machines like Tickle and people who can't catch a cold like G Horne.'"
I agree with all of that, the answer is getting better players in AND a coach who knows what he's doing. The better players are coming, it's just the coaching situation that needs sorting out.
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| Quote ="pmarrow"If Agar was to go and we brought in what on paper is a better coach, we still won't be much better off. Sure a better coach will make them defend better and have an ounce of idea in attack but we'd still only get into the play offs. We wouldn't win anything because to be simple, half the playing squad ain't good enough, despite who is coaching them.
Players like Richard Horne who have being coached under 5/6 coaches and still nobody can teach him a way to undo a defence. Infact I think he once gave an inside pass a few seasons ago which we scored off and he's constantley just done that. Although he does have a good short kicking game.
Theres just far too many average in the squad, forwards who can't break tackles, penalty machines like Tickle and people who can't catch a cold like G Horne.'"
All fair points. No doubt the players are not as good as we have built them up to be or they think they are. I think that the board know it and want Agar to sort it. He wants to sort it I'm sure but he has proved to be absolutely incapable of managing these players during the process of change. He is absolutely cleary unequivocally not bright enough to do what is not an easy job. We need someone who is. Agar is making it worse.
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| Quote ="ChrisH"All fair points. No doubt the players are not as good as we have built them up to be or they think they are. I think that the board know it and want Agar to sort it. He wants to sort it I'm sure but he has proved to be absolutely incapable of managing these players during the process of change. He is absolutely cleary unequivocally not bright enough to do what is not an easy job. We need someone who is. Agar is making it worse.'"
Exactly, some people seem to think that because Agar has identified a major problem that he automatically deserves the opportunity to sort it. The problem with this is that Agar is as much a part of our downfall, if not more, as the players. We will never get anywhere with him in charge, better players or not.
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| Quote ="pmarrow"Never said that did I ?
I'm just pointing out that even if we did get a top coach we'd probably be only alittle better off, by this I mean scraping into the play offs.
We need better players at the end of the day.'"
and I think everyone agrees that the squad isn't top4 material, no matter who coaches them.
but i'd be happy if we were sitting 6th-8th, if I had confidence in our ability to turn it on for big games and do well in the playoffs. Under Kear for example we were very inconsistent, but we had faith that a 'big' performance could occur and he would lift players games for big ties.
Instead I'm actually glad we've missed the playoffs, as we'd only get embarrassed.
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| Quote ="UllFC"and I think everyone agrees that the squad isn't top4 material, no matter who coaches them.
but i'd be happy if we were sitting 6th-8th, if I had confidence in our ability to turn it on for big games and do well in the playoffs. Under Kear for example we were very inconsistent, but we had faith that a 'big' performance could occur and he would lift players games for big ties.
Instead I'm actually glad we've missed the playoffs, as we'd only get embarrassed.'"
Yep and it would buy Agar more time. It's sad to say but I'm actually going in to games now hoping we lose, because every defeat is a step closer to Agar getting the boot.
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| Quote ="Worksop FC"Droping calderwood was the last straw for me, and also Yeaman in a pre-match interview saying we haven't even talked about what Catalan can do, we are just concentrating on what we do. Which quite honestly isn't much. What we do on the pitch should only take about 5 minutes to organise in training so what do they do the rest of the time.
The guy is a clueless idiot go now please.
My season pass has been a complete waste of money this year only been to about 6 or 7 games, some of this due to playing on a friday night others down to i can't be bothered to watch that shower again.
I won't be going to any more matches while agar or sharp are in charge and i certainly will not be buying a season pass next year.'" I am exactly the same.I was willing to keep faith and give Agar a chance into next season but after the dropping of calderwood who is our player of the season i am completly dumbfounded by it.With what little credit he had has now gone and i have to admit now that the bloke is a clueless feck wit.If the board don't get rid of agar and sharp within the next 48 hours then me and my family won't be renewing our season pass and i think that must go for most of us.Its time for the board to take action now or suffer the consequences.
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| My two penneth is that i simply cannot believe the board are letting this shambles go on. Agar is so far out of his depth that him and Sharp have to be sacked before the end of the season and then the club finally do what they should of done when they sacked Kear and get the right man so he can work with the players from the start with new methods and fresh ideas. The players that are staying must be completely disillusioned by now and very low and if Agar/Sharp continue then this will repeat itseld next year without fail and I honestly feel that the few decent players we do actually have are being destroyed in both confidence and ability by the current coaching set up
I am one seriuosly fed up fan and feel the only way out of this is for a completely new start in the coaching department and it has to be from top to bottom and this is the perfect time for the board to act.
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| Quote ="Sebasteeno"My two penneth is that i simply cannot believe the board are letting this shambles go on. Agar is so far out of his depth that him and Sharp have to be sacked before the end of the season and then the club finally do what they should of done when they sacked Kear and get the right man so he can work with the players from the start with new methods and fresh ideas. The players that are staying must be completely disillusioned by now and very low and if Agar/Sharp continue then this will repeat itseld next year without fail and I honestly feel that the few decent players we do actually have are being destroyed in both confidence and ability by the current coaching set up
I am one seriuosly fed up fan and feel the only way out of this is for a completely new start in the coaching department and it has to be from top to bottom and this is the perfect time for the board to act.'"
Feck me, things are bad. I actually agree with one of Seb's posts.
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| He has to go now. There is no point waiting until next season is a third over.
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| I want agar out like most people , but what are chances he will go ? Very slim to me
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| Quote ="Sebasteeno"My two penneth is that i simply cannot believe the board are letting this shambles go on. Agar is so far out of his depth that him and Sharp have to be sacked before the end of the season and then the club finally do what they should of done when they sacked Kear and get the right man so he can work with the players from the start with new methods and fresh ideas. The players that are staying must be completely disillusioned by now and very low and if Agar/Sharp continue then this will repeat itseld next year without fail and I honestly feel that the few decent players we do actually have are being destroyed in both confidence and ability by the current coaching set up
I am one seriuosly fed up fan and feel the only way out of this is for a completely new start in the coaching department and it has to be from top to bottom and this is the perfect time for the board to act.'"
Completely agree in fact email this to the club.
I am past caring really, I just want to see us get mullered in all remaining games so that fans really do vote with their feet next season. That is the only way our cash greedy board will ever do anything !!!
If not for the next 3 to 4 years we will be seeing the same old !!!
I believe no matter which players we bring in next year it wont make a bit of difference without a new coach with a new look with fresh ideas and passing confidence down to the players !
I was lucky enough not to buy a pass this year due to work commitments and if he is here next season I will be doing the same.
Fook Off agar you are out of your league !!!!
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I am past caring really, I just want to see us get mullered in all remaining games so that fans really do vote with their feet next season. That is the only way our cash greedy board will ever do anything !!!
If not for the next 3 to 4 years we will be seeing the same old poop !!!
I believe no matter which players we bring in next year it wont make a bit of difference without a new coach with a new look with fresh ideas and passing confidence down to the players !
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| Quote ="hullandbroncos"I want agar out like most people , but what are chances he will go ? Very slim to me'" I think 99% of the fans now want him to go and if the board don't do something about it soon they will be commiting financial suicide.They have got to swallow their pride and make a decision now for the good of the club.
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| The silence is deafening from the club on this one. Either sack him or come out in the press with a lengthy interview from rule, backing him, stating what they belive the problems to be and why they believe agar is the man to surmount these problems
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| Quote ="MR BOJANGLES"I believe no matter which players we bring in next year it wont make a bit of difference without a new coach with a new look with fresh ideas and passing confidence down to the players !'"
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"The silence is deafening from the club on this one. Either sack him or come out in the press with a lengthy interview from rule, backing him, stating what they belive the problems to be and why they believe agar is the man to surmount these problems'" I think all the excuses are now used up.
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| Quote ="MR BOJANGLES"Completely agree in fact email this to the club.
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[iDear James.
I am emailing you as this weekends result against Catalans has finally tipped me over the edge with regard to Hull FC and the shambles that takes the field week in week out and my complete amazement as to why nothing is getting done about it. I simply cannot believe the board are letting this shambles go on. Richard Agar is so far out of his depth that him and Jon Sharp have to be sacked before the end of the season and then the club finally do what they should of done when they sacked Kear and get the right man so he can work with the players from the start with new methods and fresh ideas. The players that are staying must be completely disillusioned by now and very low and if Agar/Sharp continue then this will repeat itseld next year without fail and I honestly feel that the few decent players we do actually have are being destroyed in both confidence and ability by the current coaching set up
I am one seriuosly fed up fan and feel the only way out of this is for a completely new start in the coaching department and it has to be from top to bottom and this is the perfect time for the board to act.
I have been an Hull FC fan for thirty years now and ive witnessed the highs and lows but our current predicament leaves me feeling nothing but anger and discontentment towards the the board and what appears to be a total lack of interest in the plight of our club.
Please, please, please do the right thing and remove Agar/Sharp from their positions and get us a coach (Steve Folkes/Des Hasler to name but two)who the players respect as they clearly do not the current set up.
Yours Hopefully[/i
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| Quote ="Raised Elbow"I think all the excuses are now used up.
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| Quote ="Sebasteeno"Just have. It reads;
[iDear James.
I am emailing you as this weekends result against Catalans has finally tipped me over the edge with regard to Hull FC and the shambles that takes the field week in week out and my complete amazement as to why nothing is getting done about it. I simply cannot believe the board are letting this shambles go on. Richard Agar is so far out of his depth that him and Jon Sharp have to be sacked before the end of the season and then the club finally do what they should of done when they sacked Kear and get the right man so he can work with the players from the start with new methods and fresh ideas. The players that are staying must be completely disillusioned by now and very low and if Agar/Sharp continue then this will repeat itseld next year without fail and I honestly feel that the few decent players we do actually have are being destroyed in both confidence and ability by the current coaching set up
I am one seriuosly fed up fan and feel the only way out of this is for a completely new start in the coaching department and it has to be from top to bottom and this is the perfect time for the board to act.
I have been an Hull FC fan for thirty years now and ive witnessed the highs and lows but our current predicament leaves me feeling nothing but anger and discontentment towards the the board and what appears to be a total lack of interest in the plight of our club.
Please, please, please do the right thing and remove Agar/Sharp from their positions and get us a coach (Steve Folkes/Des Hasler to name but two)who the players respect as they clearly do not the current set up.
Yours Hopefully[/i'" Nice letter to go with all the other hundreds of letters in Rules mailbox.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"The silence is deafening from the club on this one. Either sack him or come out in the press with a lengthy interview from rule, backing him, stating what they belive the problems to be and why they believe agar is the man to surmount these problems'"
How on Gods earth can they support his team selection on Saturday and his embarrassing post match comments, and have credibility with the man on the terraces, never mind trying to convince us that he's the messiah of coaches.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"The silence is deafening from the club on this one. Either sack him or come out in the press with a lengthy interview from rule, backing him, stating what they belive the problems to be and why they believe agar is the man to surmount these problems'"
Ive got a feeling he'll be gone in the next couple of days. I felt it about Sharpe and i feel it about Agar.
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| Quote ="pmarrow"Sure bringing in a new coach might make things better but I guarntee any new coach that comes in will want to ship out 3/4's of this squad.
Agar is a problem but he is not on his own.'"
But where this falls down is with Agar consistently picking teams from the 3/4's who aren't good enough and seeming to prefer to drop those who are. To use Rule's infamous chef analogy, Agar's doing the equivalent of throwing away the prime beef and frying up turds.
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