The point people are trying to make is Seymour is not been dropped through poor form, he's been kept out by a very good up and coming player.

It will be interesting to see how Heremaia is received by the fans as it has been a while since we have had a 'proper' hooker that is controls the ruck with a fast and accurate passing game instead of Berro/Houghton who were more running threats but have pretty average passing ability from the floor.

Good point, however I think Houghton's all round game as improved this season. Been very impressed with him.

Excited to have Seymour here, too.

Think houghton has a lot of improvement in him yet and even though a decent player think heremaia will be a better all round hooker

Heremaia at 9 with Houghton off the bench?

That's what I would go with

Think I would too. Then Obst?? Who knows.

That wakey are rubbish?

Seymour was playig really well but broke his thumb/hand after about round 8 ish, the form of Johnson has kept him out and obviously NZW are looking to the future. Same as with McKinnon but with Moltzen also moving on, he is on the bench due to some below par performances.

Aslong as McKinnon can keep injury free. He will prove to be a very season. Just hope he hasn't lost too much pace!

Think Mckinnon is the one I worry about injury and form wise , no doubting his ability but hasn't had a great run lately

Yeah he is still a good player and am kind of glad that he is coming off the bench, reducing his risk of injuries!

from what i have seen,and what a friend who lives in nz have told me,seymour is an excellent player who will look even better in the super league as it is sadly nowhere near the standard of the nrl...its just that johnson is their future and is an excellent player already.

Will also be interesting to see how effective he can be with our ptb (lack of) speed. We desperately need to quicken it up consistently if we want to get the best out of him. From what I've seen he could create a hell of a lot for us if we do.

His presence at dummy half might encourage quicker ptbs. He might be more demanding.

Hopefully. I think our forwards need to improve themselves too, though. Yet another area where a change of coach will help, with any luck.

I think seymour's a good player in a good side and lost his place to the nextt benji, through injury, he's also at a good age and tbh if he wasnt that good he'd still be better than the set up we have, or more acurately don't have, now

Would have kept Phelps as he has been very good just lately

Whilst I agree that phelps has played well the last few games, when Mckinnon signed Phelps was having a few injury problems.

Mckinnon injury record has been very good this year, had a couple of bad games and was rightly dropped for one game and has been on the bench the last few games.

having seen them both play, Mckinnon is a massive step on Phelps at FB, Phelps is a decent utility back while Mckinnon is very good FB.

Reminds me of the Treister/Swain situation.

Obviously never got to see Paul Woods play. But what is it that made the guy a nut case as so many of you say he was.

Also heard things about Tim Street, what was he like as a player?

EDIT: Wriiten this on the wrong thread! If a mod would be kind enough to move it to the FC Hardmen thread that would be great

He used to collect a kick and on his ball return he would just headlong into the onrushing pack and leave them scatterd over the pitch.


Street was actually a very good prop when with us.

Another hard bugger was Graham Walters.

one of my all time greats is 'Woods'y. Just as you said, he was fearless (a nutter) who just ran straight at the opposition without fear of his own safety. The outcome was usual, a heap of opposing players on the deck! He just kept on running!
The thing was with him, that he was only slightly built, solid but not 'big'. What a player and what laughs he gave us.

Tim Street just loved a scrap and you knew that if he played he would fight.
He was a good player also - when you saw him play - he was banned so much!

Street had the reputation before he signed for us . Him and Wilson were total nutjobs.

iirc he was given a three match ban for "intent" - I think it was at Castleford - where the player ducked under his arm. He was definitely one of those players who "never took a step backwards".

Pretty skillful prop to boot.


Not sure how it links in with Brett Seymour mind