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| Quote ="Standee"I think, for what it's worth, the younger players didn't come through because of clauses in their contracts that would trigger payments and the old lot didn't like the idea of paying "two people for the same job" sort of thing.
we shall see'"
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| Quote ="Standee"I think, for what it's worth, the younger players didn't come through because of clauses in their contracts that would trigger payments and the old lot didn't like the idea of paying "two people for the same job" sort of thing.
we shall see'"
Could very well be something in that and would not surprise me in the slightest. Suppose we will get a better idea next season when Agar is at Wakey, be interesting to see if he brings a youngster in or rotates half the squad to fill a position to cover an injury.
Could also be a reason why Sharp was so interested in utility players.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Impressive for a woman'"
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"Firstly; sycophantic, propaganda, and culpable.
Secondly, people outside of the club have no idea for certain whether Rule is how you described or simply wasn't listened to. I think there are many who unfairly hold an association with the people he happened to be employed by against him. The fact is, he came to the club as a marketing man, and on that side we're one of if not the best in the league, as shown by our income.
I just hope that if Rule does stay in his position fans finally start to consider that he might be good at his job and an asset to the club, instead of just wanting rid because he's a reminder of Kath Hetherington.'"
That could all be true but I know if I were put in that situation then my integrity would see me walk away
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| Quote ="Kosh"Fairly sure he was brought in as marketing manager/director and later promoted to CEO after Plummer got the push. The two of them overlapped in 2007 at least I thought?'"
Does beg the question as to what kind of business makes their marketing manager CEO?
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"That could all be true but I know if I were put in that situation then my integrity would see me walk away'"
In the current climate, it might not be so easy to find something similarly paid. Everyone has to make a living and it might not be as easy as simply walking away.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"I wasn't having a pop, just trying to be helpful. And he was brought in for marketing, he was Commercial Director and then 'promoted' to Chief Exec.
IMO it's a blinkered view to say that the organisation has performed poorly over the last few years, it has only performed poorly in one aspect, and that aspect has not been Rule's to control. I can only think of one occasion where he has outright lied, and it is a big part of his job to put the bright side spin on all of the goings on at the club.
And unless you are/have been involved in running the club, your last statement is unfounded, prejudiced nonsense. We can't know that at all.'"
Judging by pearson's statement then I'd have said that the club has performed poorly in pretty much every area but profitability, which it hasn't done that well in considering the chronic underinvestment. Seems the reason we've been posting profits is because we've been penny pinching everywhere to the detriment of the club as a whole. If you think that's some kind of vindication of rule's capabilities then you have a different view on things than me
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| The more this man speaks, the more I admire him. His statement clearly shows he is angry and having a dig at the way the club has been run in the past due to lack of investment by the previous board (or board member), just what have these people been doing? This statement has renewed by enthusiasm for next season and cannot wait for the journey ahead. Well said Adam
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| Quote ="Rock God X"In the current climate, it might not be so easy to find something similarly paid. Everyone has to make a living and it might not be as easy as simply walking away.'"
Maybe, but he's been doing the job for 4 years and I expect there may have been 1 or 2 opportunites in that time
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Maybe, but he's been doing the job for 4 years and I expect there may have been 1 or 2 opportunites in that time'"
maybe he was looking, just as someone gave him a nudge about selling the club whilst it was still going to make them a profit?
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Does beg the question as to what kind of business makes their marketing manager CEO?'"
Think he might have been Marketing Director. Not sure.
IIRC it was something of a surprise at the time. Lends weight to the view that he basically looked after marketing/admin and all the major decisions were made over his head.
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| All of this defence for rule gives me a sense of de ja vu when people were defending first agar and then the club owners pre pearson's take over
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"All of this defence for rule gives me a sense of de ja vu when people were defending first agar and then the club owners pre pearson's take over'"
I don't think there is a defence of Rule, just an acceptance that AP is nobody's fool, and if he feels Rule is the right person for the job then we see no reason to doubt him thus far.
I don't like JR, he's a self-important Hymers type with an ego to match his daft hair style, but I don't think he's doing a bad job at FC.
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| Quote ="Standee"I don't think there is a defence of Rule, just an acceptance that AP is nobody's fool, and if he feels Rule is the right person for the job then we see no reason to doubt him thus far.
I don't like JR, he's a self-important Hymers type with an ego to match his daft hair style, but I don't think he's doing a bad job at FC.'"
There is plenty of defence for rule on this thread
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| Quote ="Ian P"Bloody marvelous, AP is like a breath of fresh air after all the spin and crap we have had in recent years.
JR is next on the leaving party list as I reckon we need a complete sweep of the club to remove any traces of the last administration. The whole club has to be purged of mediocrity, the milk cow mentality and become more customer ( fan ) focused
For year many of attempted to point out what the old mob where doing , milking us dry and for years we where shouted down. Disloyal, unfaithful and un grateful to those who kept the club alive, true they did and now it would appear that debt we have repaid many times over.
I am filled with releif when I see the new owner coming out with these sort of statements, after years of under funding and being sold short we may at long last be on the verge of a golden future.
One I hope we can all share and enjoy a brillaint secure future together'"
Seems AP has got one hell of a big broom and this is a now a new chapter in our history.After reading that statment of intent,i for one cannot wait for it all to begin on the pitch.It feels great to be a Hull fan and be back hopefully where we belong and that's at the top.All Hail King AP.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Judging by pearson's statement then I'd have said that the club has performed poorly in pretty much every area but profitability, which it hasn't done that well in considering the chronic underinvestment. Seems the reason we've been posting profits is because we've been penny pinching everywhere to the detriment of the club as a whole. If you think that's some kind of vindication of rule's capabilities then you have a different view on things than me'"
Exactly the point i was trying to make, The CE is responsible for all areas of a business and it is quite clear we have failed in many areas due to penny pinching and lack of investment. Saying we have posted a profit so JR is doing a good job is far too simplistic.
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| Quote ="VerbalKint"Exactly the point i was trying to make, The CE is responsible for all areas of a business and it is quite clear we have failed in many areas due to penny pinching and lack of investment. Saying we have posted a profit so JR is doing a good job is far too simplistic.'"
You don't understand. rule has only been involved in things that have been good (of which it seems there are precious few). Everything else was kath's fault
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"There is plenty of defence for rule on this thread'"
You know the crack with Jimbob.
Kath had him for this,
Adam will be putting him to good use,
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"You don't understand. rule has only been involved in things that have been good (of which it seems there are precious few). Everything else was kath's fault'"
People like to fence sit until something happens then they can say i told you so, when JR gets his marching orders everyone will be on here listing his short comings.
The truth is as CE he has presided over a slow and steady decline on the field, poor recruitment, falling gates and a total demoralisation of the fans. The only positive he can claim is posting small profits and lining KH's pockets.
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| Quote ="VerbalKint"People like to fence sit until something happens then they can say i told you so, when JR gets his marching orders everyone will be on here listing his short comings.
The truth is as CE he has presided over a slow and steady decline on the field, poor recruitment, falling gates and a total demoralisation of the fans. The only positive he can claim is posting small profits and lining KH's pockets.'"
Recruitment has not been poor, certainly not for the past two years. The problem was the coach's inability to get the best out of the players.
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| Quote ="VerbalKint"People like to fence sit until something happens then they can say i told you so, when JR gets his marching orders everyone will be on here listing his short comings.
The truth is as CE he has presided over a slow and steady decline on the field, poor recruitment, falling gates and a total demoralisation of the fans. The only positive he can claim is posting small profits and lining KH's pockets.'"
FFS, what is it with you and JR.
If JR goes it will because AP has decided someone else can do better.
Poor recruitment, are you for real?
Fubar caused the demise of FC and the fans morale.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"There is plenty of defence for rule on this thread'"
I'm not defending him either, just suggesting the possibility that he may not have done anything that requires defending. It's entirely plausible that the shareholders were calling all the shots, and he was simply implementing their plans. Of course, you're right that he could have walked away, but would you walk away from a well paid job if you couldn't find anything equivalent?
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| Quote ="Rock God X"I'm not defending him either, just suggesting the possibility that he may not have done anything that requires defending. It's entirely plausible that the shareholders were calling all the shots, and he was simply implementing their plans. Of course, you're right that he could have walked away, but would you walk away from a well paid job if you couldn't find anything equivalent?'"
which is how most people feel, it's easy to be self-righteous behind a keyboard.
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| Quote ="VerbalKint"Exactly the point i was trying to make, The CE is responsible for all areas of a business and it is quite clear we have failed in many areas due to penny pinching and lack of investment.'"
Penny pinching and lack of investment comes from the owners, not club employees.
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