Chris how many times do we say the same thing.Clueless in the opposition 20.
When we have four repeat sets in their 20 and come away with nothing what does that tell you.
The coaching staff surely have to take some criticism here.They have had plenty of time now to improve passing and speed of pass,dummy running and some different moves in the 20.
Poor all round and our back up players are not good enough

oh yes the usual suspects always resurface after a loss, and yes some of the back up players not up to it

I would disagree Houghton and the forwards (Scott Taylor apart) have being poor for weeks now. Zero energy and missing far too many tackles.

When wingers are your best players in form you are in trouble.

You called me a tool you silly bar stewerd so i think you need to think about starting the abuse before crying wolf

Well summed up for me . No pace at all . Our shape in attack and structures all not good enough .
The pack is not good enough. As you say, we bullied teams over the last 2 years. That is no longer the case.
We are told no more recruits? We certainly need a top backrower, and for me a centre. Sorry to say but Carlos is doing nothing for me .

They will be set plays and we for the most part dont have trouble scoring points. But if your forwards have zero energy and a hooker not controlling the ruck, your ing into the wind from the off.

No quick play the balls and no speed will mean no space for the half backs to execute anything. Hence why we just got tackled in possession as we start slow.

Aren't we 3rd for points scored?

And didnt Miloudi get MOM?
Both misleading

What makes you think the coach knows any other way? Resigning Talanoa is proof enough we aren't going for speed/elusiveness out wide and Buretta isn't exactly a speed merchant. I honestly don't think Radford has the know-how to change our style and we simply don't have the personnel for it in any case.

We need to have a strong end to the season or fans are going to be pretty cheesed off if we continue to flounder.

I wrote about a self fulfilling prophecy of defeat
It’s playing out
We have a few injuries but not that many
Rovers smashed Giants last week !!!!
We only just beat Widnes last week at KC
Mental attitude and defence is the Coach’s domain
You only need to look at defence to weigh up a team
We looked lazy a fair bit and certainly not desperate
That’s the coach again
Were Ellis and Fonua the main reason we won the CC ?
I wrote that we may end up losing interest long before the Super 8s end but not this early !

We just don't seem to be able to change our game if plan A isn't working.

Admittedly we look to be running on fumes at the mo from missing so many first team regulars for such a long period of the season.

We need to be able to adapt our style of rugby for when we plan A either isn't working or we just don't have the players to carry that out.

Defensively this season we have been below par

For a while its become apparent that Taylor cannot carry this pack by himself. Even if Westerman and Bowden were in the squad we desperately need some more grunt up front. I fear zero recruitment will see us go backwards. We need to create some cap space somehow! Say goodbye to Washbrook and Abdul and maybe shift Downs, Lane, Fash out on season long loans next year. Time for Mr Ellis to step up and earn his spurs me thinks!

seb your are the worst type of I hesitate to call you a fan, but you seem to get the only pleasure in your life in seeing hull play poorly, tell me why is it we usually only see you when we lose?,

We keep going on about our injuries but it hasnt stopped Castleford,Wigan and Warrinton from performing.
Personally i dont think we are good enough even with a full squad.
Definately short of a big strong running second row and impact prop.
We also need some offloading players because since we lost Watts we have nothing and offloading creates the space and gaps.
Big loss Watts.

still like to see how we perform with a decent team on the field, as others have said, downs fash logan not cutting it, id like to think with binman griffin sneyd in the backs, manu westy and Bowden back we would be a lot better, think the top 4 gone now but if wigan and leeds win its back on,

Not really. One is an opinion-based award, the other is a fact.

wigan have top notch youngsters, not sure if wires have had major injuries all year, just not sure some of our youngsters are up to it,

Totally ridiculous award of MoM - Maloudi had a couple of good moments but goodness he's not the brightest, loads of errors and poor decisions. Radford was spot on Maloudi wasn't in the top 10.

Paea - never as good second time around is it.

The starting pack looked very strong and Connor & Kelly are talented half backs?

The weakest thing was the bench. Last week Rovers brought on Masoe, Mulhern, Lunt & Kavanagh and Huddersfield couldn't cope. Washbrook, Matongo, Fash & Downs had the opposite effect.

Sneyd is a massive loss and Connor for all his talent isn't really a half back.

Injuries do take their toll. You can raise your game one week but the next week and the next week? That's when it get's hard. I really wish we had played you this week you were very flat and I don't think Huddersfield had much to beat.

The structure is fine if the props turn up, they haven't thats why we have lost against teams we should win. No go forward or no quick play the balls will result in a dead attack no matter how many plans you have in the locker.

No mate your simply a prat

From our coach

Downs I agree with, Logan was essentially backsquadded in 2016 to make way for Fonua, then we signed Connor and Griffin so backsquadding/stunting his development further and really is being asked to cover injuries nothing more and sporadically at that due to the coach picking a second rower over him on one occasion so think your comment is unfair about not cutting it.
As for Fash, had been excellent until his injury and playing in a much weakened team it's too easy to say he's not good enough loan hom out, I think you're wrong, very young, has great endeavour if not size and I'd sat loaning him out would be an injustice to him and again stunt his development not to mention a kick in the knackers. You might as well say put Houghton and a couple of others to Donny for a few weeks given how they've done if that is your yardstick. It simply is not always the solution to simply send players out on loan.

Don't think Talanoa strengthens us any but the rest is a gimme in terms of making the team stronger IF they perform to expectations.
We just need to keep plugging away, grab wins however and see what occurs whence the 8s start, it aint over til its over.

If Radford did say that, that's absolutely disgraceful and disrespectful by him, sorry but he should shut his mouth or say something else. He might be angry but to disrespect a player like that is not on!

Can we please put this injury thing to bed
Please
For those of us lucky enough to be at Elland rd in 82 - remind me again the injury list we had that night
A 39 year old winger ? Retired hooker ?
Please Stop mentioning injuries
That’s why Connor is number 34 ! We have a squad of full time players aged over 18
Lee Crooks was 18 at Elland Rd that night

You should always imagine your full squad then take 4 players out and that’s how it’ll be for the whole season on average

We are losing in the Mental stakes and that’s the coach - Simple !!!!!!!
We played as if AP had come into the dressing room and offered the team a bonus of 500 quid each if they won
Initially it looked like it hard had an effect then after about 15 mins the players seemed to realise that was a puss take

3rd and a CC win x 2 and probably 6th and no silver

Is that enough ? Maybe ?

Is that enough for AP ? Fans in general ?

Personally I would think long and hard about the set up for next season
I really would
Would I make a decision - If wait until season end then decide
The coach needs to think long and hard as to how he wants this season to play out
It should be a credit to him not a blot on his track record

I kind of agree, singling players out is something he did in his first season in interviews. Like to see the 10 ahead of him though, at least he puts his hand up

bumpy imo logan was top notch then got injured, hes done ok and offers cover but don't think he will be in our 17 when all fit, fash has the heart of a lion but for a prop just isn't big enough, again a good squad member, didn't mention loaning them out but not good enough to be in a starting 17 when everybody fit, there do a job but we struggle when there play a few matches, like to see litten given a run,