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| It was the deadwood and culture within which took us from 4th to wooden spoons, Agar has to take credit for getting rid of the deadwood and improving the culture within the club, by signing the likes of Fitz and O'Meley who are are professionals.
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| Quote ="EXPRO"you see its difficult to see people laughing when your looking at a PC screen however i assure you that I did!!,
the real world rugby
bus is outside your house in 15 mins , Oh and you have to wear more than just your undies to get on mate!!
However in my opinion your comment was very silly unless you wish to elaborate on how HE took us from 4th to bottom of SL himself , and to placate you if that is what he did ( and he didnt by the way) then he has repaired that damage hasnt he !!
by the way did you go to the Derby ??'"
He was the coach in 2008 when we finished 11th and 2009 when we finished 12th. In 2007 we finished 4th under peter sharp. Obviously not all down to him but then he also isn't entirely blameless is he? As for repairing the damage, well things have improved on his 1st 2 years in charge undoubtedly, but I think we'd all agree we're still a long way from being seriouis challengers for trophies which is where a club of the stature of Hull should be.
And you should ditch the childish comments and maybe people on here might start to believe you're not some club goon
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"It was the deadwood and culture within which took us from 4th to wooden spoons, Agar has to take credit for getting rid of the deadwood and improving the culture within the club, by signing the likes of Fitz and O'Meley who are are professionals.'"
Do you believe that he consistently gets the best out of the players available to him?
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| Bloody hell, I never normally directly reply to anything the 'Expro' posts, but to be actually denying Agar's management record is a new level of absurdity even for him.
Oh but we beat Rovers last week so it can't have been Agar's fault! Clown.
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| we could have the best coach in the world,we are still a couple of years away from the major honour!!!! but we are going in the right direction
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"He was the coach in 2008 when we finished 11th and 2009 when we finished 12th. In 2007 we finished 4th under peter sharp. Obviously not all down to him but then he also isn't entirely blameless is he? As for repairing the damage, well things have improved on his 1st 2 years in charge undoubtedly, but I think we'd all agree we're still a long way from being seriouis challengers for trophies which is where a club of the stature of Hull should be.
And you should ditch the childish comments and maybe people on here might start to believe you're not some club goon'"
You've got it all wrong, Jake. When we're 4th, Agar took us there. When we're 11th or 12th Agar wasn't responsible.
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| Here we go [size=150AGAIN[/size
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| Quote ="jimmyfivebellies"we could have the best coach in the world,we are still a couple of years away from the major honour!!!! but we are going in the right direction'"
!!!!!!!!Utter???!!!!!??!?!?Nonsense!!!!!!???!!!
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Here we go [size=150AGAIN[/size
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and AGAIN and AGAIN!!
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| Quote ="Uncle Junior"!!!!!!!!Utter???!!!!!??!?!?Nonsense!!!!!!???!!!'"
so 4th in the league is not heading in the right direction?? numpty
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| Quote ="Uncle Junior"!!!!!!!!Utter???!!!!!??!?!?Nonsense!!!!!!???!!!'"
Not necessarily. I don't think we have a squad that's capable of winning SL. However good or bad you think Agar is, until we get a half back combo that spends more time on the pitch than on the treatment table and a winger to replace Calderwood (who seems to be on his way out), we don't stand much chance of winning anything.
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| Quote ="jimmyfivebellies"we could have the best coach in the world,we are still a couple of years away from the major honour!!!! but we are going in the right direction'"
Mate, if I'd seen any level of consistency, or even irregular games where we've looked really top notch then I'd agree. As it is, I can count on the fingers of one hand the games where I believe we've had a team performing to their full potential under agar. Unfortunately, this number is far outweighed by the number of games where we've failed to turn up and lost when there was every reason to belive we should have won. The fact is that we have won a few games this season that we'd have lost last, but the general level of performance hasn't been great and at our best we've looked some way short of wire, wigan, leeds, hudds and saints when they've clicked.
Now can you tell me if you believe that agar regulalry gets the best out of the players available at the club?
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| Quote ="jimmyfivebellies"so 4th in the league is not heading in the right direction?? numpty
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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!The bit I was referring to is highlighted in bold!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Numpty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| Quote ="Amadeo Avogadro"You've got it all wrong, Jake. When we're 4th, Agar took us there. When we're 11th or 12th Agar wasn't responsible.'"
Must be something to do with expro's underpants and that bus then
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Mate, if I'd seen any level of consistency, or even irregular games where we've looked really top notch then I'd agree. As it is, I can count on the fingers of one hand the games where I believe we've had a team performing to their full potential under agar. Unfortunately, this number is far outweighed by the number of games where we've failed to turn up and lost when there was every reason to belive we should have won. The fact is that we have won a few games this season that we'd have lost last, but the general level of performance hasn't been great and at our best we've looked some way short of wire, wigan, leeds, hudds and saints when they've clicked.
[uNow can you tell me if you believe that agar regulalry gets the best out of the players available at the club?'" [/u
tom briscoe
rich whiting
willie manu
jordan tansey
danny houghton
all 5 have improved again this season.fitz and ogre also,but considering who they are i wont count them.jordan turner is improving as the season goes on,and the same with sam moa.
a long way to go yet,but we will get there-hopefully
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| Quote ="Uncle Junior"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!The bit I was referring to is highlighted in bold!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Numpty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'"
a big name coach does not automatically guarantee success.yes,it may improve your chances,but we need stability,not yet more change.our injuries have been a nightmare yet again.i doubt many other teams,would cope like we have.the short time leeds were without sinfield,they struggled,and were losing games.saints without both their hb's aren't the same.wigan and wire have been relatively lucky with injuries,especially compared to us.maybe we haven't played ''entertaining '' rugby but we have performed with what we have had most of the time.how many times have our hb's played together?
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Maybe that's because he learnt his trade at a small club and didn't spend 3 years making mistake after mistake at a big club?'"
Nope don't think so - it's because at Leeds he started working with players that were classes above those he worked with at Huddersfield. He was, of course, a decent coach at Huddersfield (as he has gone on to prove) just didn't have the ammo. I only deal in facts - the facts were he got Hudds relegated and lost a shed load of games in the Championship. He lost a few games at Leeds too - one in Cardiff against a far from world class John Kear IIRC. None of this has anything to do with Agar - just pointing out that the WORLD CLASS Tony Smith didn't always have it his own way when working with lesser players.
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| Quote ="EXPRO"With the same respect in return, believe what you will i have no need to vindicate myself ! however I have noted the odd snippet on here WELL before it happened and WELL before the usual suspects even knew but as you say that is down to when you read and when you post i guess either way i couldnt give a monkeys to be honest
However like 99% on here I certainly do not pick my info from other posters ... however what credible info have you offered recently ???'"
Nothing really, I suppose.
But then again, I don't have a user-name like...say... "I used to be a professional" and i don't Regurgitate information already offered by others as my own.
I guess it boils down to me not needing the attention like you do.
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| Quote ="Digby"Nothing really, I suppose.
But then again, I don't have a user-name like...say... "I used to be a professional" and i don't Regurgitate information already offered by others as my own.
I guess it boils down to me not needing the attention like you do.'"
Can I just clear some-thing up...I am not really Berrigan's Bitch, I am happily married
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Can I just clear some-thing up...I am not really Berrigan's Bitch, I am happily married
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Can I just clear some-thing up...I am not really Berrigan's Bitch, I am happily married
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| Quote ="jimmyfivebellies"a big name coach does not automatically guarantee success.yes,it may improve your chances,but we need stability,not yet more change.our injuries have been a nightmare yet again.i doubt many other teams,would cope like we have.the short time leeds were without sinfield,they struggled,and were losing games.saints without both their hb's aren't the same.wigan and wire have been relatively lucky with injuries,especially compared to us.maybe we haven't played ''entertaining '' rugby but we have performed with what we have had most of the time.how many times have our hb's played together?'"
A big name coach doesn't guarantee you success but it certainly improves your chances! Stability is all well and good but it has to be with the right person, we had Peter Sharp who was by no means a perfect coach and replaced him with someone inferior..why not stick with Sharp for this period of 'stability'?
We've had three years of people talking about injuries and of course they are a factor, but it frustrates me that it is persistently put down to bad luck rather than something being done about it, IMO at the very least the physio or conditioner should have been replaced by now. There's also the point that Agar knew we had an injury prone squad yet persists with signing aging injury prone players to add to the problem.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"He also took us from 4th to wooden spooners'"
Here's me actually thinking that you were wooden spoon winners when you finished bottom!!
Can you show me a final league table which shows this, cos i aint seen one!!
Get a grip Jake, you're so negative i'm starting to think you were an investment banker at the height of the banking crisis!! Or maybe the recession was Agars fault aswell??
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| so.......any more transfer rumours or is this another agar thread?
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| seems to be the wigan/agar thread as far as i can see so far,
perhaps the mods should re-name it again
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