you might want to rethink that boy

Possibily the biggest load of rubbish I've read on this forum in a while.



If the arguement is between Briscoe and Motu in terms of an all round player, then there is a debate, but in the full back position Briscoe wins hands down.

The fact you've tried to to be all 'superior' by calling me 'boy' proves my point.

I'll certainly try.



Something which Tony does on the vast majority of occasions. And it's a fairly minor part of the game anyway. It's not often that you'll get more than two or three a game going to the fullback and if he deals with 90% (I'd be alright with less, TBH, if they don't cost us) that's fine with me. As I've said plenty of times, it's an area he could be stronger in, but it's nowhere near the problem it's made out to be.



All of those things you mention are fairly minor parts of the game (except clearing the goal line, but I suspect you mean that differently to how I'd view it, as Briscoe certainly isn't good in that area AFAIC). Not the attributes that should be looked for as the most important things for a fullback, yet they remain so in this country. And we wonder why we get our s handed to us every time we come up against the Aussies, who play fullbacks who have a little more to their game. Maybe we could learn something from that.



But he played there for NZ a couple of times. He [imust[/i be a hooker.

(He can pass, but it's short, defence-splitting passes in a tight space that he's good at rather then long, fast, flat, accurate passes, repeatedly, from dummy half, where he's not good at all.)



Coming up with a decent counter argument should be easy then.

Once you have lived in the real world I will let you come back and reconsider superiority young man

I can actualy picture some of them now

If you're as old as you sound, by the time I've lived in the real world will you still be here?

Put your sock away man!!

Tony went to FB when Briscoe was out injured. Nothing to do with him 'wanting' the position or Briscoe being moved aside to make way. He kept Briscoe out because his form there was very good - something conveniently forgotten nowadays.

If reports are true, paying Briscoe 'a bit more money' would have broken the pay structure in place at the time.

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Tony didnt have the right to pick and choose were he played, It was so simple, Briscoe was our first choice fullback, Motu came in when he was injured and played better for the back end of the 06 season in our grand final run in so when Briscoe came back he was second choice fullback and had to play in the centres and eventually cover the wing when Tingha left the club, then the next season we had Tony contracted and Briscoe off contract, we offered Briscoe a deal but he wanted a deal that was more then he was worth (at the time) and was offered this at Rovers, he left and become a much better player and fair play to him.

In hindsight it was a bad decision, but to say that Briscoe was released becuase Motu wanted to play fullback is stupid, he earned it at the time.

Very sad news if that's the end of his career at Hull. I know he's been injury blighted for a while, but it's not a nice way to end your career.

Best of luck Motu.

Agree, never shirked anything and always gave everything good clubman and never forget the try in Cardiff

i think his chances of a new contract are very slim.i still believe that we will bring in someone else,as i can't see us just going with jordan tansey at fb with horney covering if needed.tansey as i have said before is a replacement for byrne,a utility back,and therefore can see a new signing coming in at full back.

Probably worthy of its own thread but we seem to have had a lot of people retiring permanently from the game (or semi-permanently like Scott Logan) over recent years. We probably need a witch doctor to come and purge the KC of its bad karma. Anyone know one?

Sounds pretty horrible. Hope he makes a good recovery.

Great player but we need to move on. I will remember him for 3 pieces of magic

1) Try at Cardiff (Obviously)

2) Try against Bradford in the GF eliminator 2006

3) Stanley Gene getting knocked out when trying to tackle him in the 1st SL derby at caravan park.

He also suffered a horrific facial injury when playing for NZ didn't he? Probably the smallest player in the squad but hard as they come.

I'm sure he'll pick up a contract somewhere. Good luck Motu and I hope the club give the fans a chance to say goodbye

It will be sad to see him go, he has done very well for us and I will always remember that try at Cardiff and the night he ripped Leeds apart at Headingley.

No room for senitment though, even if he recovers I would not be offering him a new deal.

This is absolutely right - on all counts.

Excellent summary.

Very bad luck for Motu, and I think that probably signals the end of his career at Hull. I will be sad to see him leave as I think he's been a great servant for us and produced some moments of magic that will live in the memory long after he's gone.

Hope the fans get a chance to say goodbye to him.

Are you insane? Nobody we already had on the books was good/ready enough to step into Swain's shoes at that point. We coped ok-ish, but were notably weaker in his injury absence. We needed a hooker and got the best one on the market. IMO there can be absolutely no complaints about the recruitment of Berrigan. How we've utilised him and the platform he's been given to perform since are a different matter.

It's harder work for them carrying the pack.

Shame if tony was to finish his career like this, he was a very good player for us in 2005/06 and will always be rembered for his try in the CC final.

Hopfully he can recover from this latest set back and get a contract with another team for next season.

jesus mate,you had a bang on the head



nice comments from you

Absolutley gutted for Motu.
A class player,total proffesional and a real gentleman too.
He does'nt deserve to finish his career here in such a sad way.

Get well soon Motu.