Best thing Bulls could do is go all out for a 20k attendance against Leeds (remember they used to get 24k for this) ask all the crowd to pay £20 (Leeds would anyway)

Thats £400k off the gates plus bars etc, have a fire sale in the club shop and possibly half a mill might roll in in one day......

Not caring is indifference, you seem to be enjoying what's happening. That's not the same.

And as Neville Bartos said about Whitehead. It increases any fee they can get (from nothing, BTW), and with the sums in question it's really not a simple case of releasing players. They need to raise more than half of the salary cap.

How do you sell a player who's out of contract at the end of the year, to teams who mostly have this year's salary cap tied up? And even if you can manage that, how much do you reckon you'll get for them? I'll give you a clue, it's not even close to half a million.

Are you stalking me



I notice you fail to reply to Wilf who mentioned what Bradford did to Hull. interesting. For the record I am well over what Bradford did, they were not the only one's, however I am unsure what bit you cannot grasp I would be the same if it was any other club in this mess due to mismanagement, ...as I am sure you was with the dobbins..There are some clubs in the N1 with a fantastic history in the game, give them a shot.
I would not call this enjoyment, I would call it life, sh1i happens, move on get on with it! My only interest is what players we may be able to get on the cheap to strengthen my club.

Your definitively stalking me, is it cos I knew Turner was a good player with potential all along

How on earth does it do that? Until he signed that contract any club looking at him were guaranteed that he was a free agent in November, even with this news it's still only a possibility that he will be. All this news really does is alert clubs to the possibility of buying him out, putting him potentially back on the market but at a fee instead of for nothing. If Bradford have to let him go, somebody will pay for him rather than wait it out, that wasn't the case before.

Come on make your mind up...you said they could not offload as every-one would be at full cap

I suspect that you're wasting your time.

there's a smilie for this

I'm just working my way through the thread, and most of the stuff I disgree with is coming from you.

Wilf said he didn't like them and what they did, but also that 2 wrongs don't make a right. You seem to be thinking we should take whatever we can and sod them as some sort of revenge.

I'm actually still not convinced about Turner.

Looks like you're right.

Please show where I have said that!

I can assure you the only thing I am thinking right now is how I find hilarious that you are obsessed with my posts!

This is my last attempt to explain this one.

He was out of contract next year.
That means anyone wanting to buy him would have had to pay 1 year's salary for him, or 18 months if they wanted him for now.
I think most clubs would actually sooner wait the contract out (because if he'd not signed a new deal this year you'd have to expect it was because he wanted out), and probably not have enough cap space to accomodate him this year anyway. So any fee would be negligible on the scale of their debts.
He signed a 5 year deal.
That means the purchase price is now in the region of 5 years of his [iincreased[/i salary, less a bit because clubs know they need the money.
This announcement means that clubs now know that Bradford may not be able to say no to a good offer, so someone will look to get ahead of the rest by buying him now.
Bradford go from getting £0-25kish for him (which would be 2.5% of their debt), to maybe selling him for in the region of £100k (10%).

If that happens his new deal was a belting move.

It's more the tone of your posts and your earlier harking back to Radford (you weren't alone in this, I didn't mean to seem like I was singling you out).

Maybe I've misjudged, but I do think a lot of what you've said on this subject is way off the mark.

I'm done now as it's taking over the thread and must be annoying others by now.

But it is only a belting move if they raise £1m, are you convinced they will do that in such a short time ?

I feel for the genuine Bradford fans, the ones who have been through the thick and thin. You only have to go back to 1999 when our club was in serious danger to remember what it was like for the fans.

As for the club officials, other than that they should be disqualified from being company directors again, there is a certain degree of karma on the horizon. Wasn't it Bradford, who by actively marketing in areas like Keithley and Halifax, effectively crippled a couple of other traditonal RL teams?

Oh, and the RFL need to be investigated at some length into how this has been able to happen so soon after they "aquired" Odsal.

Don't quite agree with that. There are now 4 possible outcomes in relation to Whitehead:

1. They sell him and raise the money.
2. They sell him and fail to raise enough money.
3. They don't sell him and raise the money, and they've secured him for the next 5 years.
4. They don't sell him and fail to raise the money.

If 1 or 3 pan out, it was a good move. If 2 happens it at least gave them a better chance. If 4 happens it was irrelevant.

I just don't really see a way in which it was the stupid move you think. The worst outcome is that they don't gain from it, but I can't see a way in which they lose any more than they already stood to. Giving him the contract has not caused their plight, nor does it seem to be a symptom of how it's happened.



No, but the value of players like Whitehead is where their best chance lies IMO.

The RFL can not and will not let a club like Bradford go under .Who will replace them , Featherstone Halifax ,leigh, a second French side , another Welsh club. None will be able to match Bradford with the fan base etc .Bradford on a bad day will beat most of those clubs on a good day

My point was that they should not have given contracts out, they should have reigned the finances in, tried to offload a couple more with a transfer fee if possible, like you point out it would not have touched the sides of this debt, however I feel it would have given them more time to try and sort this mess out with the help of the supporters and planning. I understand why they have done it however it is a massive risk and I do actually consider it a symptom hanging on to players they can ill afford to pay, two weeks to raise that kind of money is a massive ask now.It will be interesting to see how this pans out, I actually think there is more to it than what is in the public domain right now. Even if they get a top transfer fee for players like him it will not cover these costs, the fanbase will crumble and the inevitable will come.

Other sides are overtaking your fanbase.

Its a shame when 6k Bulls stopped going they didnt go back following Keighley like they were pre 1995

As well as the fans you have to feel sorry for Jarrod Sammut, thats twice in two years now unless he could get dispensation again.
Elliot Kear would be different as I'm sure plenty of clubs would take him.

But this is what I don't understand, why?! Where is the sense in that?

They can't save enough money from the wage bill to pay the debt without having a pathetic squad that nobody will pay to watch getting trounced each week (you say the fanbase will crumble by selling off a few of their best, how diehard do you think it will be with a squad costing sub £700k? That's not even twice the NL1 cap, and is actually assuming they are at full cap now, which I highly doubt. It's probably more realistic to say that slashing £1m off their wage bill will essentially give them an NL1 side), but they maybe can pay them off by selling a few of their promising young players. You can't sell players who are out of contract, and those with not long left to run have little value. By giving him a 5 year deal they've possibly just quintupled what they can get for him.

Their need for money in is greater than their need to decrease their outgoings.

Administration wouldn't necessarily get them kicked out of SL - see Wakefield last season. In fact their best bet would be if they could somehow 'do a Wakey' and start over with a new BOD/owner. Chucking more cash at the current bunch of incompetents would likely only be putting off the inevitable.

The killer blow regards SL would be if they couldn't fulfil their fixtures, which is looking like a real possibility at the moment.

To be fair that was more to do with one man's ego than squad make up [iper se[/i. Has to go down as one of the single worst decisions ever made by a club chairman in any sport.

Unless they can get £1m together they are gone, if they go into administration they need a investor/buyer or they are gone, so it could be irrelevant what they get for players . The bottom line is the club have been greedy and signed up players they cannot afford to pay in 2 weeks time, now given the option of watching a pathetic squad who may end up in NL1 is better imo than losing the club altogether and they are serious risk of this right now.